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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Moff_Tarkin" data-source="post: 4846301" data-attributes="member: 14175">The first thing to establish is that the missing kama is proof enough that the body is fake. I don’t see why people don’t understand that. A minor detail is usually all the proof you need. Imagine an evil rogue that is harassing your party uses a disguise check to disguise himself has one of your party members. You make spot check to notice that your friend has blue eyes when you know his eyes to be brown. Would you say that’s just a minor detail that you should ignore?Now that I have established my belief that the missing kama is proof of a fake body, let me establish why a Will save does not make us ignore that proof. Imagine your talking to a German fellow and during the conversation his accent slips and you hear him speak with his native English accent. He then waves his hand through the air like Obi-Wan and says, “You didn’t just hear that.” Of course you heard him. You caught him slip and now you know he is a fake.When we opened the coffin and saw the Kama was missing, and we knew the body was a fake. The same way you would know that your now blue-eyed friend is an imposter. The Will save in this situation is the vampire doing the jedi mind trick and saying, “You don’t see a missing kama.” But since illusions aren’t mind affecting, it cant convince me that I didn’t notice a clue that’s right in front of my face. I’ve already noticed the missing kama and know the body is a fake. The illusion spell can attempt to “jedi mind trick” me all it wants. I already know the truth.</blockquote>

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