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<blockquote data-quote="epithet" data-source="post: 7510280" data-attributes="member: 6796566"><p>"Taking the attack action" is Attacking. It absolutely correlates with "some event in the fiction." In the case of a dog, Attacking is coming at you with teeth bared, snarling. Making an attack is trying to bite you with a d20 roll.</p><p></p><p>I referred to the opportunity attack as a part of illustrating that Attacking (taking the attack action on your turn) and making an attack were distinct things in the 5e combat rules, and that the presence or absence of either was neither necessary nor prohibitive for the other. You can Attack without making an attack, and you can make an attack without Attacking. Yes, that sounds somewhat nonsensical. Yes, they probably should have used a different term for one or the other. Regardless, that's the situation. If your Attack action is interrupted before you make an attack, you have still Attacked. </p><p></p><p>In the example of the readied <em>hold person</em> spell, if you have an ally with a readied "<em>dispel magic</em>" spell and a trigger of "a spell is cast on my ally," then you may find your character once again in the fight. You still have one or more melee or ranged attacks you can make, but you can't, at that point, say "Changed my mind, I want to Withdraw and go around the corner." You've Attacked. Even if you don't make your melee or ranged attacks, you've still Attacked. It's what triggered the held <em>hold person</em> spell.</p><p></p><p>I can't compare this to brushing your teeth, sorry. These are not analogous. Like most activities in the real world, when you brush your teeth you just do it. If we were dealing with a mash-up of grooming simulation and gameplay that involved complex rule systems, and "brushing your teeth" and "moving your toothbrush" both had definitions describing them as separate yet related things, and that relationship were one which pages of forum posts could be devoted to analyzing, and the designer of the simulation/game rule system had gone back to contradict his previous statement regarding a different yet related rule (involving the Flosser Master feat and its bonus action) then sure... I suppose we could talk about it in this context.</p><p></p><p>Edit: If you're a rogue, and haven't used your bonus action yet, then you can Withdraw (as a cunning action) and go around the corner (if you haven't used all your movement.) I think I'm going to give myself a headache with all this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="epithet, post: 7510280, member: 6796566"] "Taking the attack action" is Attacking. It absolutely correlates with "some event in the fiction." In the case of a dog, Attacking is coming at you with teeth bared, snarling. Making an attack is trying to bite you with a d20 roll. I referred to the opportunity attack as a part of illustrating that Attacking (taking the attack action on your turn) and making an attack were distinct things in the 5e combat rules, and that the presence or absence of either was neither necessary nor prohibitive for the other. You can Attack without making an attack, and you can make an attack without Attacking. Yes, that sounds somewhat nonsensical. Yes, they probably should have used a different term for one or the other. Regardless, that's the situation. If your Attack action is interrupted before you make an attack, you have still Attacked. In the example of the readied [I]hold person[/I] spell, if you have an ally with a readied "[I]dispel magic[/I]" spell and a trigger of "a spell is cast on my ally," then you may find your character once again in the fight. You still have one or more melee or ranged attacks you can make, but you can't, at that point, say "Changed my mind, I want to Withdraw and go around the corner." You've Attacked. Even if you don't make your melee or ranged attacks, you've still Attacked. It's what triggered the held [I]hold person[/I] spell. I can't compare this to brushing your teeth, sorry. These are not analogous. Like most activities in the real world, when you brush your teeth you just do it. If we were dealing with a mash-up of grooming simulation and gameplay that involved complex rule systems, and "brushing your teeth" and "moving your toothbrush" both had definitions describing them as separate yet related things, and that relationship were one which pages of forum posts could be devoted to analyzing, and the designer of the simulation/game rule system had gone back to contradict his previous statement regarding a different yet related rule (involving the Flosser Master feat and its bonus action) then sure... I suppose we could talk about it in this context. Edit: If you're a rogue, and haven't used your bonus action yet, then you can Withdraw (as a cunning action) and go around the corner (if you haven't used all your movement.) I think I'm going to give myself a headache with all this. [/QUOTE]
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