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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6076579" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>I already see this use of Wish and Miracle as an abuse. It basically grants you knowledge of ALL spells except 9th level ones. Spending a slot 1 level higher is a very low price for this. You could even cast spells of other classes, and even tho the slot cost was higher, IMO this is truly offensive if you have no other cost... the possibility of abuse is limitless.</p><p></p><p>In 3ed Wish had a <em>harsh</em> 5000Xp cost, but I don't think 5e will have any Xp cost for spells. Anyway they have to find another limitation, because otherwise it's really bad, to the point that I guess most DMs will just ban the spell or they'll make it unusable by coming up with ridiculous twisting of the words.</p><p></p><p>I am less concerned by using Wish/Miracle for original effects than using them for duplicating spells, because original effects are easily assumed to carry a risk of getting unwanted side effects, while duplicating is pretty straightforward and a player will be less inclined to accept a DM's twisting as fair.</p><p></p><p>Honestly, I really wish (!) for the spell-duplicating option to totally disappear. </p><p></p><p>That said, clearly the spell still needs a cost, because otherwise it can currently be used during downtime to become outrageously rich by creating one 25k Gp item every single day. Of course characters at this level are probably already very rich, but still...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6076579, member: 1465"] I already see this use of Wish and Miracle as an abuse. It basically grants you knowledge of ALL spells except 9th level ones. Spending a slot 1 level higher is a very low price for this. You could even cast spells of other classes, and even tho the slot cost was higher, IMO this is truly offensive if you have no other cost... the possibility of abuse is limitless. In 3ed Wish had a [I]harsh[/I] 5000Xp cost, but I don't think 5e will have any Xp cost for spells. Anyway they have to find another limitation, because otherwise it's really bad, to the point that I guess most DMs will just ban the spell or they'll make it unusable by coming up with ridiculous twisting of the words. I am less concerned by using Wish/Miracle for original effects than using them for duplicating spells, because original effects are easily assumed to carry a risk of getting unwanted side effects, while duplicating is pretty straightforward and a player will be less inclined to accept a DM's twisting as fair. Honestly, I really wish (!) for the spell-duplicating option to totally disappear. That said, clearly the spell still needs a cost, because otherwise it can currently be used during downtime to become outrageously rich by creating one 25k Gp item every single day. Of course characters at this level are probably already very rich, but still... [/QUOTE]
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