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<blockquote data-quote="IndyPendant" data-source="post: 3191426" data-attributes="member: 8738"><p>Well, let's look at the options:</p><p>Young Dragon: Medium, 11HD, +4 LA</p><p>Juvenile Dragon: Medium, 14HD, +4 LA</p><p>Young Adult Dragon: Large, 20HD (!!!), Unlisted LA (So at least +4)</p><p></p><p>A Young Adult Copper Dragon has an equivalent level of <em>at least</em> 24! I have to agree with the posters here. If the player isn't a complete idiot (or completely inexperienced), he deliberately got greedy and tried to slip something past you (or maybe it could be argued that the character tried to slip it past the efreeti). Land on him with both feet, and hard. (Everything that follows assumes that He Knew Better Than To Ask; please keep that in mind. : )</p><p></p><p>To start with, a Young Dragon is still a Medium creature, and works out to being equivalent to a 15th level character (in theory). As his GM, I would have laughed out loud at the idea of turning him into a Young Adult, and turned him into a Young Dragon. Anything worn like armour that would not normally fit on the dragon I would have gleefully destroyed in retribution for the player's greed from the shapechange. (Or, perhaps worse, subsumed it into the Dragon form like Druid Wildshaping, unusable forever.) I would rule with prejudice against his items wherever there's a gray area, meticulously explaining to him I was doing so because he asked for far too much from his Wish. He loses all class levels and becomes a Young Dragon, and nothing but.</p><p></p><p>Then I would take whatever I had planned as the efreeti's part of the deal with that "whisper of his wings" comment, and roughly double the hurt. He willingly entered into a deal with an efreeti, and got greedy with a Wish. Bad player! Badt!</p><p></p><p>(I am actually a lenient GM in a lot of ways. I challenge my players to make the game interesting, but I'm not a RBDM. However, if I have clearly laid out the risks and a player gets stupid or greedy, then I don't hesitate to smack them down. It makes the rewards when they *do* succeed that much more special...: )</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IndyPendant, post: 3191426, member: 8738"] Well, let's look at the options: Young Dragon: Medium, 11HD, +4 LA Juvenile Dragon: Medium, 14HD, +4 LA Young Adult Dragon: Large, 20HD (!!!), Unlisted LA (So at least +4) A Young Adult Copper Dragon has an equivalent level of [i]at least[/i] 24! I have to agree with the posters here. If the player isn't a complete idiot (or completely inexperienced), he deliberately got greedy and tried to slip something past you (or maybe it could be argued that the character tried to slip it past the efreeti). Land on him with both feet, and hard. (Everything that follows assumes that He Knew Better Than To Ask; please keep that in mind. : ) To start with, a Young Dragon is still a Medium creature, and works out to being equivalent to a 15th level character (in theory). As his GM, I would have laughed out loud at the idea of turning him into a Young Adult, and turned him into a Young Dragon. Anything worn like armour that would not normally fit on the dragon I would have gleefully destroyed in retribution for the player's greed from the shapechange. (Or, perhaps worse, subsumed it into the Dragon form like Druid Wildshaping, unusable forever.) I would rule with prejudice against his items wherever there's a gray area, meticulously explaining to him I was doing so because he asked for far too much from his Wish. He loses all class levels and becomes a Young Dragon, and nothing but. Then I would take whatever I had planned as the efreeti's part of the deal with that "whisper of his wings" comment, and roughly double the hurt. He willingly entered into a deal with an efreeti, and got greedy with a Wish. Bad player! Badt! (I am actually a lenient GM in a lot of ways. I challenge my players to make the game interesting, but I'm not a RBDM. However, if I have clearly laid out the risks and a player gets stupid or greedy, then I don't hesitate to smack them down. It makes the rewards when they *do* succeed that much more special...: ) [/QUOTE]
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