Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
I wish people would avoid name-dropping Gary Gygax
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Misanthrope Prime" data-source="post: 9599721" data-attributes="member: 6776166"><p>I have a background in philosophy, literary studies and art criticism. I firmly believe games are art, tabletop games are art and D&D is art.</p><p></p><p>There is the notion of a separation of "high" and "low" art- contrast the images we associate with "opera" to what we associate with "folk songs." High art is significantly more respected than "low art" (though one could argue that in the modern era low art is far more useful for propaganda), and any new art form that seeks prestige will attempt to present itself as high art. High art is defined, in part, by its <em>canonicity</em> (hence where we get the nerd fandom term "canon"); that there are iconic works in an art form that everyone knows and if you know anything about art, you know the canonical examples inside and out. A big part of artistic canons are the personages and figures we associate with art; a canon is a codified mythology and a pantheon of gods at once.</p><p></p><p>We as RPG fans trying to prove our worth with a nascent artform, barely 50 years old, are attempting to create and assert our canon in order to have the art be seen as "high". To do that, we engage in hagiographic appeals to authority, picking guys who were, frankly, just schlubby midwestern nerds and treating them like philosophers treat Plato or political scientists treat Machiavelli.</p><p></p><p>TLDR: <strong>The idea of "Gary Gygax" as a great artist is significantly more important to the rhetoric of tabletop games and the cultural position of tabletop games than the man made of meat ever was or ever will be.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Misanthrope Prime, post: 9599721, member: 6776166"] I have a background in philosophy, literary studies and art criticism. I firmly believe games are art, tabletop games are art and D&D is art. There is the notion of a separation of "high" and "low" art- contrast the images we associate with "opera" to what we associate with "folk songs." High art is significantly more respected than "low art" (though one could argue that in the modern era low art is far more useful for propaganda), and any new art form that seeks prestige will attempt to present itself as high art. High art is defined, in part, by its [I]canonicity[/I] (hence where we get the nerd fandom term "canon"); that there are iconic works in an art form that everyone knows and if you know anything about art, you know the canonical examples inside and out. A big part of artistic canons are the personages and figures we associate with art; a canon is a codified mythology and a pantheon of gods at once. We as RPG fans trying to prove our worth with a nascent artform, barely 50 years old, are attempting to create and assert our canon in order to have the art be seen as "high". To do that, we engage in hagiographic appeals to authority, picking guys who were, frankly, just schlubby midwestern nerds and treating them like philosophers treat Plato or political scientists treat Machiavelli. TLDR: [B]The idea of "Gary Gygax" as a great artist is significantly more important to the rhetoric of tabletop games and the cultural position of tabletop games than the man made of meat ever was or ever will be.[/B] [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
I wish people would avoid name-dropping Gary Gygax
Top