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<blockquote data-quote="TiQuinn" data-source="post: 9659270" data-attributes="member: 4871">I guess the question is can anyone have any discussion of 1e AD&amp;D, earlier versions or even the rest of the nascent TTRPG community at that time without having to genuflect in his direction? His position as the most prominent creator of the game is indisputable, even when people bring up other influences. What is being suggested is hardly erasure - this is incredibly unlikely to happen, but it seems to be the foremost fear amongst many a grognard - does it really also mean that we can have no other discussion of gaming at that time, or someone else's gaming experience without invoking his name? As you said yourself, what the man printed in the rules was not really reflected at his own table by his own admission.Yes, Gary was there. Yes, Gary was the owner of TSR. As for &quot;he deserves acknowledgement&quot; -- people are saying this as if the man isn't constantly acknowledged left, right, up and down by the vast majority of the TTRPG industry. And again, that's the point, if we were to discuss Greg Stafford and Chaosium in the 70s and early 80s, is it incumbent on people to utter &quot;Gary Gygax&quot;? It sure feels like there are those who would be bothered if it he wasn't mentioned.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TiQuinn, post: 9659270, member: 4871"] I guess the question is can anyone have any discussion of 1e AD&D, earlier versions or even the rest of the nascent TTRPG community at that time without having to genuflect in his direction? His position as the most prominent creator of the game is indisputable, even when people bring up other influences. What is being suggested is hardly erasure - this is incredibly unlikely to happen, but it seems to be the foremost fear amongst many a grognard - does it really also mean that we can have no other discussion of gaming at that time, or someone else's gaming experience without invoking his name? As you said yourself, what the man printed in the rules was not really reflected at his own table by his own admission. Yes, Gary was there. Yes, Gary was the owner of TSR. As for "he deserves acknowledgement" -- people are saying this as if the man isn't constantly acknowledged left, right, up and down by the vast majority of the TTRPG industry. And again, that's the point, if we were to discuss Greg Stafford and Chaosium in the 70s and early 80s, is it incumbent on people to utter "Gary Gygax"? It sure feels like there are those who would be bothered if it he wasn't mentioned. [/QUOTE]

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