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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8726264" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Given the excision of the EK and AT, perhaps most gishes should be removed as well? &quot;No subclasses that offer Extra Attack&quot; might work, since that's a simple and objective measure. That would only block three subclasses (Valor and Swords Bard, and Bladesinger WizardMoon Druid and Hexblade Warlock would still exist of course, though I suppose this leaves open the question of whether to permit that one Warlock invocation that is essentially Extra Attack.... On the one hand, baseline Monk is still a bit magical, and going full Hexblade Blade Pact + multiple Invocations with level prerequisites is a large investment. On the other, the point is to try to cut out as much &quot;martial-ness&quot; as possible. On the third hand, War Clerics would still exist and Tempest isn't that far behind them in terms of weapon-using interest. I'll let the thought percolate (and hear what others think.)Sure, I'm just thinking about a situation where everyone must be a full caster and anything more than tiny dabbling in physical combat is restricted. As noted above, no Extra Attack, for example.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8726264, member: 6790260"] Given the excision of the EK and AT, perhaps most gishes should be removed as well? "No subclasses that offer Extra Attack" might work, since that's a simple and objective measure. That would only block three subclasses (Valor and Swords Bard, and Bladesinger Wizard Moon Druid and Hexblade Warlock would still exist of course, though I suppose this leaves open the question of whether to permit that one Warlock invocation that is [I]essentially[/I] Extra Attack.... On the one hand, baseline Monk is still a bit magical, and going full Hexblade Blade Pact + multiple Invocations with level prerequisites is a large investment. On the other, the point is to try to cut out as much "martial-ness" as possible. On the third hand, War Clerics would still exist and Tempest isn't that far behind them in terms of weapon-using interest. I'll let the thought percolate (and hear what others think.) Sure, I'm just thinking about a situation where everyone [I]must[/I] be a full caster and anything more than tiny dabbling in physical combat is restricted. As noted above, no Extra Attack, for example. [/QUOTE]

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