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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8726278" data-attributes="member: 6790260">At first I was confused, until I realized you must be quoting someone who has blocked me and thus made it impossible for me to see their posts too. Figured it was only a matter of time before Snarf did so.As for the content of your post, this is a rather tired edition-war slur against 4e and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't make such baseless claims. Powers were the generic system for defined actions. &quot;Melee Basic Attack&quot; was a power. That doesn't make it magic. Magic is about what the power does, usually in the form of manifesting energies where those energies did not exist before (elemental keywords), teleporting, summoning, etc. It's simply false to claim that that makes all combat prowess a form of magic.They're talking about 4e. It's a very tired edition war argument. &quot;Fighters are now Wizards,&quot; or to use the ur-examples, &quot;Fighters can shoot lightning bolts out of their arses&quot; and &quot;Warlords can shout hands back on.&quot; Mike Mearls notably referenced that second one very specifically as the reason they weren't going to include Warlords in 5e. It was a very, very disappointing moment for me during the playtest.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8726278, member: 6790260"] At first I was confused, until I realized you must be quoting someone who has blocked me and thus made it impossible for me to see their posts too. Figured it was only a matter of time before Snarf did so. As for the content of your post, this is a rather tired edition-war slur against 4e and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't make such baseless claims. Powers were the generic system for defined actions. "Melee Basic Attack" was a power. That doesn't make it magic. Magic is about what the power does, usually in the form of manifesting energies where those energies did not exist before (elemental keywords), teleporting, summoning, etc. It's simply false to claim that that makes all combat prowess a form of magic. They're talking about 4e. It's a very tired edition war argument. "Fighters are now Wizards," or to use the ur-examples, "Fighters can shoot lightning bolts out of their arses" and "Warlords can shout hands back on." Mike Mearls notably referenced that second one very specifically as the reason they weren't going to include Warlords in 5e. It was a very, very disappointing moment for me during the playtest. [/QUOTE]

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