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<blockquote data-quote="BobTheNob" data-source="post: 5948914" data-attributes="member: 82425">We dont have to edition war at all.It would have to standa as the most exceptionally different version of D&amp;D ever create, but whilst 4e did some things well , it did sorta miss the point on other things. (Please, no &quot;What?&quot; responses. The threads are out there. The debates have been made. If there wasnt perceived issues, the debate wouldnt exist)But to utterly ignore its influence for 5e is as bad as having too much of it in 5e. It did introduce some genuinely good ideas.I do think what has been directed at it as criticism has been well debated to this point in time, and maybe this thread is flogging the proverbial dead horse. To the 4e haters : perhaps call off your dogs, we have heard these arguments before and they are getting old. To the 4e lovers : take on the &quot;where there is smoke there is fire&quot; attitude and accept that the position of other's is not invalid just because you disagree with it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BobTheNob, post: 5948914, member: 82425"] We dont have to edition war at all. It would have to standa as the most exceptionally different version of D&D ever create, but whilst 4e did some things well , it did sorta miss the point on other things. (Please, no "What?" responses. The threads are out there. The debates have been made. If there wasnt perceived issues, the debate wouldnt exist) But to utterly ignore its influence for 5e is as bad as having too much of it in 5e. It did introduce some genuinely good ideas. I do think what has been directed at it as criticism has been well debated to this point in time, and maybe this thread is flogging the proverbial dead horse. To the 4e haters : perhaps call off your dogs, we have heard these arguments before and they are getting old. To the 4e lovers : take on the "where there is smoke there is fire" attitude and accept that the position of other's is not invalid just because you disagree with it. [/QUOTE]

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