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<blockquote data-quote="Rasyr" data-source="post: 3323897" data-attributes="member: 2855"><p>I asked for two main things...</p><p></p><p>1) Rules to be codified. I also asked for clear definition (which is actually part of codifying the rules). It is unfair to the participants if they do not know the rules by which they will be judged (and saying "the best" doesn't tell anybody squat). Last year the debacle with Shackled City highlighted the "rule by whim" problem that is inherent in the ENnies. Categories need to be clearly defined. </p><p></p><p>As others have agreed in earlier posts, I also think that certain categories should be exclusive to other categories. However, those in charge of the ENnies apparently disagree, to the point of ignoring what some of their fans are saying. A fan-based award that ignores what the fans are saying? If they were really interested, then they would have opened dialog on the topic to get an even wider viewpoint and to see what the opinion of the fans are on this topic, rather than just blowing it off and saying that people voting for the awards says that they are heading in the right direction.</p><p></p><p>I never denied that they are heading in the right direction, only that last year, they did something that veers from that direction and that if they don't fix it, they won't stay going in the right direction. Only to be told to take a hike (though not in those exact words).</p><p></p><p>2) Make the ENnies stand on their own. Morrus has already stated his full intention to never separate the ENnies from EN World. Since EN World is the world's largest d20 fan site that makes the ENnies the awards of the world's largest d20 fan site, NOT a fan-based industry award. </p><p></p><p>Instead of treating everybody the same, d20 fans who are registered at EN World get special treatment. Fans of other systems are FORCED to visit the world's largest d20 fan site in order to vote on the ENnies.</p><p></p><p>I am trying to point out that the ENnies cannot claim to be more than a <strong>d20 Fan</strong> award so long as it treats fans of other systems differently by forcing them to come here. </p><p></p><p>I asked that the ENnies processes be performed on the ENnies website. You know make EVERYBODY go to the same place, not show favortism by making "EVERYBODY BUT MY MEMBERS" go to a site that is dedicated to a rival system. </p><p></p><p>By moving the judge selection and voting processes to the ENnies website, what does that do? It inconveniences the EN World Members is what it does. You don't care about inconveniencing people who want to support other systems, only those who visit your site.</p><p></p><p>Somebody also madea statement about getting publishers to support the ENnies. Do you really think that Steve Jackson or White Wolf or ICE or any other non-d20 publisher is going to fully support something fully tied to the world's largest fan site of a competitor?</p><p></p><p>You need a wake up call. </p><p></p><p>I am asking for there to be fairness, not special treatment. </p><p></p><p>Asking for fairness is not the same as saying </p><p></p><p></p><p>It is more like saying "I'll buy ICE's products as soon as I am not forced to wade through ICE's website to get to them"</p><p></p><p>And you know what? We don't force you to come to the ICE website, so why should ICE fans be forced to come to a d20 website to deal with the ENnies? To the ENnies website, yes. To a website that is devoted to a competitor, no.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rasyr, post: 3323897, member: 2855"] I asked for two main things... 1) Rules to be codified. I also asked for clear definition (which is actually part of codifying the rules). It is unfair to the participants if they do not know the rules by which they will be judged (and saying "the best" doesn't tell anybody squat). Last year the debacle with Shackled City highlighted the "rule by whim" problem that is inherent in the ENnies. Categories need to be clearly defined. As others have agreed in earlier posts, I also think that certain categories should be exclusive to other categories. However, those in charge of the ENnies apparently disagree, to the point of ignoring what some of their fans are saying. A fan-based award that ignores what the fans are saying? If they were really interested, then they would have opened dialog on the topic to get an even wider viewpoint and to see what the opinion of the fans are on this topic, rather than just blowing it off and saying that people voting for the awards says that they are heading in the right direction. I never denied that they are heading in the right direction, only that last year, they did something that veers from that direction and that if they don't fix it, they won't stay going in the right direction. Only to be told to take a hike (though not in those exact words). 2) Make the ENnies stand on their own. Morrus has already stated his full intention to never separate the ENnies from EN World. Since EN World is the world's largest d20 fan site that makes the ENnies the awards of the world's largest d20 fan site, NOT a fan-based industry award. Instead of treating everybody the same, d20 fans who are registered at EN World get special treatment. Fans of other systems are FORCED to visit the world's largest d20 fan site in order to vote on the ENnies. I am trying to point out that the ENnies cannot claim to be more than a [b]d20 Fan[/b] award so long as it treats fans of other systems differently by forcing them to come here. I asked that the ENnies processes be performed on the ENnies website. You know make EVERYBODY go to the same place, not show favortism by making "EVERYBODY BUT MY MEMBERS" go to a site that is dedicated to a rival system. By moving the judge selection and voting processes to the ENnies website, what does that do? It inconveniences the EN World Members is what it does. You don't care about inconveniencing people who want to support other systems, only those who visit your site. Somebody also madea statement about getting publishers to support the ENnies. Do you really think that Steve Jackson or White Wolf or ICE or any other non-d20 publisher is going to fully support something fully tied to the world's largest fan site of a competitor? You need a wake up call. I am asking for there to be fairness, not special treatment. Asking for fairness is not the same as saying It is more like saying "I'll buy ICE's products as soon as I am not forced to wade through ICE's website to get to them" And you know what? We don't force you to come to the ICE website, so why should ICE fans be forced to come to a d20 website to deal with the ENnies? To the ENnies website, yes. To a website that is devoted to a competitor, no. [/QUOTE]
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