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<blockquote data-quote="eyebeams" data-source="post: 3323961" data-attributes="member: 9225"><p>I think we can allow people to recuse themselves in such margnal cases. There aren't many situations where the playtesters substantially redesign a game. They may make comments that cause a redesign or suggest systems, but I speak from experience when I say there's a difference between a guy saying "Why don't you try X" and a designer rolling X a million times on a dice simulator, comparing it with other methods and then turning that into parsable text.</p><p></p><p>Again, you can't make it perfect, but you can certainly make it a lot less screwy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I simply believe that the ENnies should be legitimate fan awards. Right now they aren't really any such thing. Frankly, if there are so few RPG fans who aren't affiliated with product production and marketing, RPGs are screwed. Fortunately, I think there are plenty of people who should fit the bill of being fans and nothing but fans. If the ENnies can't organize itself to find these people, there's a problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The charm of the ENnies is that it's a fan award. Another award dominated by some industry faction, no matter how minor, is kind of unnecessary.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Everybody's biased; that's not the point. But it does make a difference if you have even a tenuous commercial interest in the mix. Plus, where the hell's the charm in having some freelancer judge? If I want to know what a freelance game writer or designer thinks I'll email some of 'em. I really do want to get an idea of how a small group of consumers/fans mentally structures and assesses the hobby. I already know about how industry people think about the hobby because nobody'll shut up about it.</p><p></p><p>Money really does make a difference. I know you have marginal cases of playtesting for pay and work for comps, but I think the awards can deal with making these decisions as long as they're guided by something that says, "No industry work for at least 3-5 years," instead oif the current system of there being no guidelines and it obviously not working, as it clearly doesn't when 2 of the 06 fan judges have industry credits.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not a bad idea.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eyebeams, post: 3323961, member: 9225"] I think we can allow people to recuse themselves in such margnal cases. There aren't many situations where the playtesters substantially redesign a game. They may make comments that cause a redesign or suggest systems, but I speak from experience when I say there's a difference between a guy saying "Why don't you try X" and a designer rolling X a million times on a dice simulator, comparing it with other methods and then turning that into parsable text. Again, you can't make it perfect, but you can certainly make it a lot less screwy. I simply believe that the ENnies should be legitimate fan awards. Right now they aren't really any such thing. Frankly, if there are so few RPG fans who aren't affiliated with product production and marketing, RPGs are screwed. Fortunately, I think there are plenty of people who should fit the bill of being fans and nothing but fans. If the ENnies can't organize itself to find these people, there's a problem. The charm of the ENnies is that it's a fan award. Another award dominated by some industry faction, no matter how minor, is kind of unnecessary. Everybody's biased; that's not the point. But it does make a difference if you have even a tenuous commercial interest in the mix. Plus, where the hell's the charm in having some freelancer judge? If I want to know what a freelance game writer or designer thinks I'll email some of 'em. I really do want to get an idea of how a small group of consumers/fans mentally structures and assesses the hobby. I already know about how industry people think about the hobby because nobody'll shut up about it. Money really does make a difference. I know you have marginal cases of playtesting for pay and work for comps, but I think the awards can deal with making these decisions as long as they're guided by something that says, "No industry work for at least 3-5 years," instead oif the current system of there being no guidelines and it obviously not working, as it clearly doesn't when 2 of the 06 fan judges have industry credits. Not a bad idea. [/QUOTE]
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