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<blockquote data-quote="eyebeams" data-source="post: 3328476" data-attributes="member: 9225"><p>The guy who popped in on this thread to remind everyone that he owns the awads and can do whatever he likes with them is presumably the same Morrus that's <a href="http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=enpublishing" target="_blank">here</a>. I highly doubt a Clone Saga or Bizarro Morrus is involved. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, that's not how the OAs works. You talk like some publishers get together in a cabal or something, but the OA process has just as much fan participation. Nominees are chosen by gamers and selected by academy folks (except for Game of the Year). Compare this to judges selecting ENnies noms who are voted on by fans. Tomato, frickin' tomahto.</p><p></p><p>I mean, seriously, Mike. I don't even like the OAs (remember how I called them meaningless in '06?) and my work won an ENnie last year, but I'm just not buying the way you're framing it.</p><p></p><p>As for who "messed up" the OAs, the first problem with them is that they cover a bunch of small markets, one or two large markets and pretend they're all the same market. The second problem and third problems I'm aware of would increase the temperature of the discussion here by quite a bit, so I'll avoid them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Apparently a lone publisher was sufficient to make Tim Dugger and ICE wash their hands of the awards, with said publisher responding with words to the effect of, "It's mine and I don't care what you think." But that happens to be the publisher already associated with the ENnies -- which is kind of my point. The ENnies are not a noble fan pursuit. They're an annex for a publisher and his site. There's nothing much wrong with this if you're going to be honest about it. If you get pretenses about the ENnies sticking it to the man or something, that's just wacky.</p><p></p><p>(Now what Morrus said -- it's fine. Morrus made his choice and Tim made his. But even influence for the right reasons is influence.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above. The ENnies are deliberately associated with this site and as Morrus says, will always be so. This obviously has the effect of centering voting and fan action on the opinions on this site. It's marketing.</p><p></p><p>Again, it of itself, there's nothing wrong with this, but framing it as some kind of populist triumph is disingenuous at best. The primary virtues of the ENnies are that they only cover RPGs and they're linked to this community. Everybody knows that the OAs' web presence sucked, because you just can't have a website run for the sake of one smallish banquet a year. It's nonsensical. That's an excellent reason why they can't migrate from here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eyebeams, post: 3328476, member: 9225"] The guy who popped in on this thread to remind everyone that he owns the awads and can do whatever he likes with them is presumably the same Morrus that's [url=http://www.enworld.org/index.php?page=enpublishing]here[/url]. I highly doubt a Clone Saga or Bizarro Morrus is involved. Uh, that's not how the OAs works. You talk like some publishers get together in a cabal or something, but the OA process has just as much fan participation. Nominees are chosen by gamers and selected by academy folks (except for Game of the Year). Compare this to judges selecting ENnies noms who are voted on by fans. Tomato, frickin' tomahto. I mean, seriously, Mike. I don't even like the OAs (remember how I called them meaningless in '06?) and my work won an ENnie last year, but I'm just not buying the way you're framing it. As for who "messed up" the OAs, the first problem with them is that they cover a bunch of small markets, one or two large markets and pretend they're all the same market. The second problem and third problems I'm aware of would increase the temperature of the discussion here by quite a bit, so I'll avoid them. Apparently a lone publisher was sufficient to make Tim Dugger and ICE wash their hands of the awards, with said publisher responding with words to the effect of, "It's mine and I don't care what you think." But that happens to be the publisher already associated with the ENnies -- which is kind of my point. The ENnies are not a noble fan pursuit. They're an annex for a publisher and his site. There's nothing much wrong with this if you're going to be honest about it. If you get pretenses about the ENnies sticking it to the man or something, that's just wacky. (Now what Morrus said -- it's fine. Morrus made his choice and Tim made his. But even influence for the right reasons is influence.) See above. The ENnies are deliberately associated with this site and as Morrus says, will always be so. This obviously has the effect of centering voting and fan action on the opinions on this site. It's marketing. Again, it of itself, there's nothing wrong with this, but framing it as some kind of populist triumph is disingenuous at best. The primary virtues of the ENnies are that they only cover RPGs and they're linked to this community. Everybody knows that the OAs' web presence sucked, because you just can't have a website run for the sake of one smallish banquet a year. It's nonsensical. That's an excellent reason why they can't migrate from here. [/QUOTE]
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