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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 3331801" data-attributes="member: 177">Over four years, what part of, "if you have a problem with moderation, take it up in e-mail with a moderator, don't discuss it in the thread," has failed to register to you?That being said, this is important enough for me to address here.  In saying the above, you seem to have made a couple of errors:1)You mistake "current weather" for "climate".  One thread that goes haywire does not a pattern make.2)You seem to miss the fact that the storm here is largely the fault of every poster in the thread - yourself included. Please allow me to be blunt: A few folks who disagree with how the ENnies operate came in here, but they weren't looking to discuss, or suggest.  They were looking to dictate terms - they know the truth, they know the fixes, and everything else is wrongity, wrong-wrong, with wrong sauce.  The methods and manners used were, intentionally or not, well-designed to strike an emotional chord in many of those with other opinions, putting them on the emotional defensive.So, now we have an emotional interchange, and everyone removes a goodly amount of their reasoning ability, and drops it in the wastebasket.The moderators are then stuck.  We recognize badgering as a form of incivility, and that a few folks in here are guilty of it.  But if we use that to moderate, we will be accused of "silencing teh troof!", which is less constructive than allowing the badgering to continue.  And, because they're being badgered, the folks on the other side get huffy and insulting.  But if we moderate them, then we allow badgering to become a viable strategy, which is also destructive.  The mods are darned if we do, and darned if we don't.  So, all of you who are defending the current ENnies processes and methods - take care when you respond.  Most of you are effectively guilty of feeding the fire.  Note that there is no such thing as a "sense of humor" in this thread.  If you cannot be polite, if you feel too strong an urge to be witty, or sly, or get a dig in, or if your emotions are otherwise engaged, you do more harm to your cause than good by responding.And for the others (and I'm sorry eyebeams, but yours is the best recent example), recognize that in using phrases like "this is insufficient" or "this is unacceptable", you are inappropriately stating that you are the one who gets to determine overall acceptability - if you act as an authority when you aren't one, you are asking for problems.  Take to heart the fact that you don't get to make the decisions, or dictate terms.  If you are here to help, act like a volunteer, not a dictator.   Make your statements, maybe ask and answer some questions, and then allow the people with authority to decide.  If you don't have actual hard data, all you have is a plausible argument - recognize that as an opinion no better founded than anyone else's!Someone has already gotten a tempban for taking this argument too far.  Please be advised that we are no longer terribly shy of more such.  If you feel any further need to discuss why we moderate this thread the way we do, take it to e-mail.</blockquote>

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