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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eyebeams" data-source="post: 3332732" data-attributes="member: 9225">That's not it at all. If you really do want the vote to decide everything, then you should logically campaign for the abolition of judges. If you support the judging system you support the associated regulations, which means that it's inconsistent to appeal to voters to perform regulation-like activities.Doesn't seem that way. You're arguing for that when it suits the status quo and standing for an antidemocratic element when it also suits the status quo (and that's your right, but it doesn't have the hallmarks of a consistent position). This sort of principle can't stand within the awards *as they are*, much less how they might be changed.I'd be perfectly fine with the idea of abolishing judges entirely, myself. The tools are there to allow it.That power shift already exists. Rules are just as capable of limiting its influence as extending it. In fact, the incumbent ban would do just that. In essence, I'm only proposing one new rule and altering an existing rule. This is hardly cumbersome.This invites the response that was used on Tim Dugger. If you or any other voter doesn't care to come to the site and make your choice, why should anyone give you a hand?Yeah, that sucks, but it's the consequence of a rhetorical commitment to a democratic process.Nah, I think it's systemic. For one thing, the current rules *do* look like they were designed to serve the needs of probable incumbents.Again, the logical conclusion to this line of argument is to just do away with judges. Lack of convenience is not accepted as a valid counterargument in other contexts, so it shouldn't be applied to this one.But if the ENnies are to better function as a *general* fan-run awards instead of being tied to a clique *while* retaining judges, my suggestions are not onerous and would, in my opinion, considerable improve the degree to which the awards actually reflect fan preferences.Frankly, the judging slate shouldn't require an STV system and multiple flamewars to move beyond a strong trend for incumbents. That fact that this apparently *is* driving this sort of thing is not a compliment to the awards system.</blockquote>

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