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<blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 9309295" data-attributes="member: 891">My YouTube subs only just caught up to this thread existing so I'm a little late to the thread on this one.This has probably been noted already but this almost seems inline with the intentions for both WotC and Paizo. WotC seems to want people to move over to digitial purchases. Paizo really heavily encourages buying direct from them with a subscription (subs get a free PDF copy, and a 15% discount - almost makes it as cheap as Amazon, but Amazon doesn't include the PDF. Local stores are left out in the cold save for the 'special covers' for the remaster which is not a normal promotion).I'd be curious to know much things have dipped if we added Amazon, D&amp;D Beyond, and Paizo subscription data &quot;back in&quot;.Are we seeing an actual dip, or a move away from local stores.Not just in hobby games, but across the board I'm seeing a dip in local retail. Empty malls and storefronts. Even restaurants are getting replaced by shared commercial kitchens for shops that only sell through food delivery apps.While I am in the Pathfinder camp, I was never in the 5E camp. In fact I dipped out of D&amp;D in the early 00s (when last I was a regular poster here). BUT most groups I have encountered online over the last year or so has been 5E people moving systems. Played in several one-shots of people trying it out.Whether they switched or not, 2023 was a year a lot of people tried other choices. Then again 1% of D&amp;D players trying PF2E would be like PF2E seeing a doubling in it's player base... so while it feels like a lot of people from my side of the table, from their side it could be so few as to be unnoticeable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kichwas, post: 9309295, member: 891"] My YouTube subs only just caught up to this thread existing so I'm a little late to the thread on this one. This has probably been noted already but this almost seems inline with the intentions for both WotC and Paizo. WotC seems to want people to move over to digitial purchases. Paizo really heavily encourages buying direct from them with a subscription (subs get a free PDF copy, and a 15% discount - almost makes it as cheap as Amazon, but Amazon doesn't include the PDF. Local stores are left out in the cold save for the 'special covers' for the remaster which is not a normal promotion). I'd be curious to know much things have dipped if we added Amazon, D&D Beyond, and Paizo subscription data "back in". Are we seeing an actual dip, or a move away from local stores. Not just in hobby games, but across the board I'm seeing a dip in local retail. Empty malls and storefronts. Even restaurants are getting replaced by shared commercial kitchens for shops that only sell through food delivery apps. While I am in the Pathfinder camp, I was never in the 5E camp. In fact I dipped out of D&D in the early 00s (when last I was a regular poster here). BUT most groups I have encountered online over the last year or so has been 5E people moving systems. Played in several one-shots of people trying it out. Whether they switched or not, 2023 was a year a lot of people tried other choices. Then again 1% of D&D players trying PF2E would be like PF2E seeing a doubling in it's player base... so while it feels like a lot of people from my side of the table, from their side it could be so few as to be unnoticeable. [/QUOTE]

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