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<blockquote data-quote="teitan" data-source="post: 8725429" data-attributes="member: 3457"><p>Considering that the market fracture started with the OSR before 4e launched and Pathfinder wasn't overtaking 4e except in the months that 4e didn't have products until the end of its lifecycle I doubt it would have impacted them. D&D 4e wasn't canned because of Pathfinder or even loss of market share, it was canned because it didn't hit the expected sales goal that Hasbro set for it to become a "core brand" which is a tag they put on IP they expect to his more than 50 million (in 2008 money) a year in profit and those brands were earmarked with unlimited budgets for product development. WOTC developed a huge marketing and product strategy for 4e and failed to deliver on all fronts within the timeframe allotted for core brand development and the budget was slashed. Usually they put the IP on ice for a few years and then relaunch it years later, while doing soft products like anniversary products, one off collectors pieces (sound familiar anniversary edition core rulebooks and special edition adventures with D&D next playtests?) that have low cost development cycles and small teams. While 4e was operating it was always shy of that 50 million and hampered by Hasbro not letting them include licensing, novel sales (didn't have the D&D logo on Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance novels after all) and other periphery things. When 5e launched they had a small budget, small staff, small (still) release schedule compared to any non 1e era in D&D history. None of that was because Paizo and Pathfinder. It was failure to be able to deliver on the plan and most of it wasn't really the development team's fault as DDI fell apart due to tragic events and was such an integral aspect to 4e, the product was rushed to market, Essentials should have been the final product but 3.5 sales had started to collapse under the weight of the bloat. PAthfinder certainly rejuvenated 3.5 players but the OSR started the cracks in the ship. Pathfinder was popular enough to catch the people as Hasbro crippled the ship that was 4e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="teitan, post: 8725429, member: 3457"] Considering that the market fracture started with the OSR before 4e launched and Pathfinder wasn't overtaking 4e except in the months that 4e didn't have products until the end of its lifecycle I doubt it would have impacted them. D&D 4e wasn't canned because of Pathfinder or even loss of market share, it was canned because it didn't hit the expected sales goal that Hasbro set for it to become a "core brand" which is a tag they put on IP they expect to his more than 50 million (in 2008 money) a year in profit and those brands were earmarked with unlimited budgets for product development. WOTC developed a huge marketing and product strategy for 4e and failed to deliver on all fronts within the timeframe allotted for core brand development and the budget was slashed. Usually they put the IP on ice for a few years and then relaunch it years later, while doing soft products like anniversary products, one off collectors pieces (sound familiar anniversary edition core rulebooks and special edition adventures with D&D next playtests?) that have low cost development cycles and small teams. While 4e was operating it was always shy of that 50 million and hampered by Hasbro not letting them include licensing, novel sales (didn't have the D&D logo on Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance novels after all) and other periphery things. When 5e launched they had a small budget, small staff, small (still) release schedule compared to any non 1e era in D&D history. None of that was because Paizo and Pathfinder. It was failure to be able to deliver on the plan and most of it wasn't really the development team's fault as DDI fell apart due to tragic events and was such an integral aspect to 4e, the product was rushed to market, Essentials should have been the final product but 3.5 sales had started to collapse under the weight of the bloat. PAthfinder certainly rejuvenated 3.5 players but the OSR started the cracks in the ship. Pathfinder was popular enough to catch the people as Hasbro crippled the ship that was 4e. [/QUOTE]
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