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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 8064566" data-attributes="member: 2525">I would love to see an objective source (someone who isn't a Paizo executive) that indicates this. I have not been able to find one.PF2 came out well before the Pandemic. It was released over a year go now (August 1, 2019). If they had not sold out the first run, I'd think they'd be in serious trouble as historically they have always sold out the first run in a matter of weeks after release. Selling out the first print run isn't, itself, a sign they are doing well. It's the bare minimum I assume.In terms of objective sales data, we know they are 1) not doing as well as PF1 used to on Amazon or Barnes and Noble in sales ranking, 2) did not sell all their inventory at GenCon when it was first released, despite always selling all their inventory at GenCon in prior years for their biggest new releases, and 3) PF2 isn't being played as much as PF1 on online play tools like Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds, though that may change over time. You might also add 4) PF2 is not being discussed on message boards and other forums as much as PF1 used to be (or even still is) discussed in such places. Again, none of this is &quot;clear&quot; data which points to one conclusion, but it's not what you'd call data of &quot;good sales&quot; right now either.That is one of the objective sources I've been looking at - online play. And, they're not doing as well as you'd imagine they'd do right now relative to the competition. That doesn't mean they're doing poorly, but it does mean there is nothing in the online play data which shows they're doing well, objectively speaking. But if you have seen something different do please post it.I am not sure Paizo is doing what they wanted to do with PF2, and I am not so sure the Pandemic carries all or even most of the blame for that. But, I am not sure on any of this. I could be wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 8064566, member: 2525"] I would love to see an objective source (someone who isn't a Paizo executive) that indicates this. I have not been able to find one. PF2 came out well before the Pandemic. It was released over a year go now (August 1, 2019). If they had not sold out the first run, I'd think they'd be in serious trouble as historically they have always sold out the first run in a matter of weeks after release. Selling out the first print run isn't, itself, a sign they are doing well. It's the bare minimum I assume. In terms of objective sales data, we know they are 1) not doing as well as PF1 used to on Amazon or Barnes and Noble in sales ranking, 2) did not sell all their inventory at GenCon when it was first released, despite always selling all their inventory at GenCon in prior years for their biggest new releases, and 3) PF2 isn't being played as much as PF1 on online play tools like Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds, though that may change over time. You might also add 4) PF2 is not being discussed on message boards and other forums as much as PF1 used to be (or even still is) discussed in such places. Again, none of this is "clear" data which points to one conclusion, but it's not what you'd call data of "good sales" right now either. That is one of the objective sources I've been looking at - online play. And, they're not doing as well as you'd imagine they'd do right now relative to the competition. That doesn't mean they're doing poorly, but it does mean there is nothing in the online play data which shows they're doing well, objectively speaking. But if you have seen something different do please post it. I am not sure Paizo is doing what they wanted to do with PF2, and I am not so sure the Pandemic carries all or even most of the blame for that. But, I am not sure on any of this. I could be wrong. [/QUOTE]

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