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<blockquote data-quote="Sammael" data-source="post: 5794774" data-attributes="member: 4475">IMC,Many fighter maneuvers still have partial effects even on a miss. Not necessarily damage, but stuff like &quot;if you miss the opponent, you gain a +2 non-cumulative bonus against that opponent until the end of the encounter.&quot;Haste adds an additional Move action. Some fighter maneuvers can be executed as move actions, but not many.The Cleave maneuver uses the original attack roll reduced by 2. If you drop the second opponent and the third is within reach, use the original attack roll reduced by 4. And so on...Whirlwind Attack is an area of effect attack that deals automatic damage (Reflex save for 1/2).The Fighter needs the ability to deal a lot of damage to a single opponent to offset the casters' ability to deal moderately high damage to a lot of opponents. He also needs some maneuvers to deal with multiple lesser foes (Cleave, Whirlwind, Ricochet, whatever).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sammael, post: 5794774, member: 4475"] IMC, Many fighter maneuvers still have partial effects even on a miss. Not necessarily damage, but stuff like "if you miss the opponent, you gain a +2 non-cumulative bonus against that opponent until the end of the encounter." Haste adds an additional Move action. [i]Some[/i] fighter maneuvers can be executed as move actions, but not many. The Cleave maneuver uses the original attack roll reduced by 2. If you drop the second opponent and the third is within reach, use the original attack roll reduced by 4. And so on... Whirlwind Attack is an area of effect attack that deals automatic damage (Reflex save for 1/2). The Fighter needs the ability to deal [I]a lot[/I] of damage to a single opponent to offset the casters' ability to deal moderately high damage to a lot of opponents. He also needs some maneuvers to deal with multiple lesser foes (Cleave, Whirlwind, Ricochet, whatever). [/QUOTE]

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