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<blockquote data-quote="Splurch" data-source="post: 5967098" data-attributes="member: 51387">I don't think that Harlock is saying punish the players but use it as a tool. In life we learn from our mistakes and sometimes it can be a little painful, but we might not do it the next time or think about it first. People who like playing Vancian casters usually like the management aspect of it to a degree and the planning that goes with it. As a DM it is your job to make the game interesting and fun and if you always have 3 (or whatever) encounters a day it becomes boring. You should always mix it up so they have to learn what playing a Vancian caster is. It's no different then when a fighter risks power attack for more damage or it could cause him to miss the attack all together. &nbsp;From everything they have put out there there will be Vancian casters and non Vancian casters so the player can choose what he likes and I also like the low level cantrip attack spells to make Wizards have a fall back. I was thinking they could even make you use a implement (orb, staff, wand) to be able to do the cantrips so there is a small chance that could be thawrted by villans as well (I really liked implements in 4th Ed).&nbsp;And please can we stop picking sides and arguing about the what edition is better, I've played them all and they are all different and all D&amp;D!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Splurch, post: 5967098, member: 51387"] I don't think that Harlock is saying punish the players but use it as a tool. In life we learn from our mistakes and sometimes it can be a little painful, but we might not do it the next time or think about it first. People who like playing Vancian casters usually like the management aspect of it to a degree and the planning that goes with it. As a DM it is your job to make the game interesting and fun and if you always have 3 (or whatever) encounters a day it becomes boring. You should always mix it up so they have to learn what playing a Vancian caster is. It's no different then when a fighter risks power attack for more damage or it could cause him to miss the attack all together. From everything they have put out there there will be Vancian casters and non Vancian casters so the player can choose what he likes and I also like the low level cantrip attack spells to make Wizards have a fall back. I was thinking they could even make you use a implement (orb, staff, wand) to be able to do the cantrips so there is a small chance that could be thawrted by villans as well (I really liked implements in 4th Ed). And please can we stop picking sides and arguing about the what edition is better, I've played them all and they are all different and all D&D! [/QUOTE]

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