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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8462120" data-attributes="member: 20564">I'm glad I don't have your experience.  If anything, the majority of the people I play with (say 12-15 across several groups) just want to play, do single classed characters that seem interesting, and purposefully pick different spells then they saw last campaign, even if that gets rid of a bunch of the power hitters.  We did have one guy who was a power gamer with is no longer with the group for unrelated reasons.  He was also a fun roleplayer and it's sad it's no longer with us.  And I can optimize but have have learned from my time on the DM sides of the screen that I have more fun when the whole party is around the same level of power.  So if I optimize, it's in a support role to make others shine.I think all we can take from this is that there is no "one true description" of 5e players.</blockquote>