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<blockquote data-quote="GreyICE" data-source="post: 5855942" data-attributes="member: 6684526">Yes, DnD was king... when its competition was FATAL.AD&amp;D was indeed the undisputed ruler of the PnP RPG roost, but there just wasn't any legitimate competition during those times.&nbsp; So it was like beating yourself at chess.&nbsp; YAY!&nbsp; I WIN AGAIN!&nbsp; But it doesn't really say much about your chess playing ability.3E was losing ground from virtually its introduction, to the big players of 90s RPGs, White Wolf.&nbsp; White Wolf, with Vampire, Werewolf, and a host of less popular systems.&nbsp; People often forget the OGL was WotC's attempt to regain much of the ground lost to other systems, by giving them a home under the WotC umbrella.&nbsp; Pathfinder has only recently started to beat 4E sales, as 4E is in its twilight, and it has no DDI model for ongoing money making (something WotC has certainly appreciated, as DDI has continued to get updates right up to the announcement of Next, and no one really questions its inclusion in Next).&nbsp; Pazio fans are certainly arrogant and loud, but a loud cultish fanbase doesn't mean that it's somehow 'beating' D&amp;D.&nbsp; At the end of the day WotC answers to one company, Hasbro, and Hasbro is what defines whether D&amp;D is doing well.&nbsp; Pathfinder almost certainly played very little part in that decision, the cold fact of the matter is Hasbro just doesn't care.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GreyICE, post: 5855942, member: 6684526"] Yes, DnD was king... when its competition was FATAL. AD&D was indeed the undisputed ruler of the PnP RPG roost, but there just wasn't any legitimate competition during those times. So it was like beating yourself at chess. YAY! I WIN AGAIN! But it doesn't really say much about your chess playing ability. 3E was losing ground from virtually its introduction, to the big players of 90s RPGs, White Wolf. White Wolf, with Vampire, Werewolf, and a host of less popular systems. People often forget the OGL was WotC's attempt to regain much of the ground lost to other systems, by giving them a home under the WotC umbrella. Pathfinder has only recently started to beat 4E sales, as 4E is in its twilight, and it has no DDI model for ongoing money making (something WotC has certainly appreciated, as DDI has continued to get updates right up to the announcement of Next, and no one really questions its inclusion in Next). Pazio fans are certainly arrogant and loud, but a loud cultish fanbase doesn't mean that it's somehow 'beating' D&D. At the end of the day WotC answers to one company, Hasbro, and Hasbro is what defines whether D&D is doing well. Pathfinder almost certainly played very little part in that decision, the cold fact of the matter is Hasbro just doesn't care. [/QUOTE]

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