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<blockquote data-quote="Sir Brennen" data-source="post: 4616017" data-attributes="member: 553"><p>Not quite sure I follow. The sentence with the bold "that" in the quote above leads me to this understanding:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">If I miss with EP 1, then EP 1 will recharge on <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">If I also miss with DP 2, it will also be set to recharge <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">If I miss with a Daily, then EP 1 and EP 2 effectively have recharge <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />, and any other spent EP's with no recharge value yet gain recharge <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" /> (essentially a "floating" recharge for EP's)</p><p></p><p>But you state "If you miss with two encounter powers, you recharge on a <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />". Doesn't a miss EP only gain recharge for itself? Or should that be "If you miss with an encounter power and a daily power, that power recharges on a <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />"?</p><p></p><p>I also don't quite understand this: "you reduce your recharge rate by 1 when a power is recharged." So if EP 1 recharges on a <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />, I roll a 6, recharge, and use the power, it still has the possibility of recharging on a <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />? And if I miss with it in the scenario above, it goes back to <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />?</p><p>____________________________</p><p></p><p>This house rule would work great with power cards for tracking. Flip them over when a power is used, and put a d6 (or two) on it with the recharge value. Or even just on the power on your character sheet.</p><p></p><p>One could also add a little randomness to what powers recharge when, by stipulating that each time a power gains a recharge, use the next lowest recharge value, beginning with <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />. </p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">So if I miss with EP 1, I turn its card over and place a d6 showing <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" /> on EP 1.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">If I miss with EP 2 (and EP 1 still has a <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" /> on it), I place a <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /> on EP 2.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">If I miss with DP 1 and EP 1 & 2 haven't recharged, I put a <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/4.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":4:" title="Four :4:" data-shortname=":4:" /> on DP 1.</p><p></p><p>If I roll a <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /> or <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />, the corresponding EP is the one that recharges. But if I roll a <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/4.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":4:" title="Four :4:" data-shortname=":4:" />, I get to choose which EP recharges, and that power retains its recharge number when I use it. I then remove the d6 from DP 1.</p><p></p><p>This retains the 1 miss = 1 recharge ratio you have setup, and eliminates the need for the "only one power per turn can be recharged" caveat and this talk of "stacking". It does, however, mean the more spent powers you have with a unique recharge value, the more likely that one will recharge each round (compared to possibly having 2 or more EPs with the same value of <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />) It's a trade-off for not always getting to choose which power recharges, but the increased frequency may be what you want to compensate for misses.</p><p>_________________________</p><p></p><p>One other question... would you apply this rule to Daily Powers of magic items on a miss? I could see arguments for or against, as magic weapons in particular also have additional damage potential on crits independent of their daily power.</p><p></p><p>edit: I think I only posted this so I could play with the 4E icons <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sir Brennen, post: 4616017, member: 553"] Not quite sure I follow. The sentence with the bold "that" in the quote above leads me to this understanding: [INDENT]If I miss with EP 1, then EP 1 will recharge on :6:. If I also miss with DP 2, it will also be set to recharge :6:. If I miss with a Daily, then EP 1 and EP 2 effectively have recharge :5: :6:, and any other spent EP's with no recharge value yet gain recharge :6: (essentially a "floating" recharge for EP's)[/INDENT] But you state "If you miss with two encounter powers, you recharge on a :5: :6:". Doesn't a miss EP only gain recharge for itself? Or should that be "If you miss with an encounter power and a daily power, that power recharges on a :5: :6:"? I also don't quite understand this: "you reduce your recharge rate by 1 when a power is recharged." So if EP 1 recharges on a :5: :6:, I roll a 6, recharge, and use the power, it still has the possibility of recharging on a :6:? And if I miss with it in the scenario above, it goes back to :5: :6:? ____________________________ This house rule would work great with power cards for tracking. Flip them over when a power is used, and put a d6 (or two) on it with the recharge value. Or even just on the power on your character sheet. One could also add a little randomness to what powers recharge when, by stipulating that each time a power gains a recharge, use the next lowest recharge value, beginning with :6:. [INDENT]So if I miss with EP 1, I turn its card over and place a d6 showing :6: on EP 1. If I miss with EP 2 (and EP 1 still has a :6: on it), I place a :5: on EP 2. If I miss with DP 1 and EP 1 & 2 haven't recharged, I put a :4: on DP 1.[/INDENT] If I roll a :5: or :6:, the corresponding EP is the one that recharges. But if I roll a :4:, I get to choose which EP recharges, and that power retains its recharge number when I use it. I then remove the d6 from DP 1. This retains the 1 miss = 1 recharge ratio you have setup, and eliminates the need for the "only one power per turn can be recharged" caveat and this talk of "stacking". It does, however, mean the more spent powers you have with a unique recharge value, the more likely that one will recharge each round (compared to possibly having 2 or more EPs with the same value of :6:) It's a trade-off for not always getting to choose which power recharges, but the increased frequency may be what you want to compensate for misses. _________________________ One other question... would you apply this rule to Daily Powers of magic items on a miss? I could see arguments for or against, as magic weapons in particular also have additional damage potential on crits independent of their daily power. edit: I think I only posted this so I could play with the 4E icons ;) [/QUOTE]
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