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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grayhawk" data-source="post: 1767427" data-attributes="member: 11288">I have a new idea for handling skills  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> While it may not be as simple and elegant as I would've liked, it touches upon some general concerns I've had regarding skills by the RAW, specifically the fact that Profession isn't a class skill for everybody and that many classes have too few points to spend on knowledge skills.And while I can see how a higher Int score would allow for more knowledge skills, I'm not sure it helps you learn how to climb or jump (if two persons with the same physical prowess trained various sports the same amount of time, I don't necessarily see the one with the higher IQ comming out as the winner.)Good point (as the bonus from a high Int would otherwise become too potent, with the fewer consolidated skills), and I think I found a way of addressing that.So here's the idea (in it's current state) :Knowledge skills, Profession and Craft are not on the skill list. Instead all characters start with 1+Int bonus languages, 1+Int bonus Knowledge Skills and a Craft or Profession. Skill level = character level + ability modifier.There are no skill points. You either know a skill or you don't (but all but the last 4 on the list can be tried untrained). If you know a skill, your Skill level is = class level + ability modifier. Skills known are chosen at character creation. Skill listSneak (Hide, Move Silently) dexAlertness (Spot, Search, Listen) wisAthletics (Climb, Swim, Jump) strAcrobatics (Scale Walls, Tumble, Balance) dexInfluence (Intimidate, Diplomacy, Bluff) chaHandle Animal (Ride) wis?Heal, wisSurvival, wisDisable (Disable Device, Open Locks) intDecipher Script, intSleight of Hand, dexSpellcraft, intAll classes receive automatic Skill Focus feats (+3) in appropiate class skills but can choose to learn any skill on the list.Here's the breakdown for 6 of the classes:Fighter: Choose 2 skillsHas Focus in Athletics Paladin: Choose 2 skillsHas Focus in Influence and Handle AnimalRanger: Choose 4 skillsHas Focus in Athletics, Alertness, Sneak, Handle Animal, Heal and SurvivalCleric: Choose 2 skillsHas Focus in Influence and HealMage: Choose 2 skillsHas Focus in Spellcraft and Decipher ScriptRogue: Choose 6 skillsHas Focus in Athletics, Alertness, Sneak, Acrobatics, Influence, Disable, Sleight of Hand and Decipher ScriptObviously, you're better off choosing skills from your Focus list, but if you want your Fighter to be alert for instance, you can make him so, without him being better at it than the Rogue or Ranger.Example build:Dwarf FighterStr 15Dex 10Con 16Int 13Wis 12Cha 8Since he has a +1 modifier on Int he chooses 2 languages - Dwarven & Common - and 2 Knowledge Skills - Local and Dungeoneering. He also chooses Profession (Miner).Happy with his Athletics training (a +3 Focus from the Fighter class, for a total of +5 (+2 Str, +3 Focus)) he actually chooses to learn 2 other skills throughout his career, namely Disable for a total of +2 (+1 Int, +1 level) and Heal for a total of +2 (+1 Wis, +1 level).At 5th level, his Athletics Skill level is still +5, but his Disable and Heal levels have increased to +6.Whaddya think?</blockquote>

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