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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 6090082" data-attributes="member: 11697">Oh I'm aware of it, but there's a few problems with it, some of which are demonstrably false. For instance, the gods mentioned in the PP weren't around at the time. Given when it happened on the time scale of planar history, it can be inferred that there were no deities at the time period. The "gods of law" mentioned in the PP aren't actual gods, but the primordial entities of Law (equivalent to the original CN pre-Spawning Stone slaadi, the NE baernaloths, the unknown progenitors of NG, etc). The PP is almost exclusively from the perspective of LN and later LE's conception of the cosmos. It doesn't include what was happening at the same time in the multiverse at the hands of NE (the NE planes were a pretty happening place during this period), whatever NG was up to, and whatever CN was originally up to before NE dugs it hooks in and we ended up with the Abyss and the obyriths. It's only a fraction of what was going on.The gods proper didn't start any involvement till a much later era of the Blood War, and there's a decent amount on the topic in various PS sources. And ultimately they pulled out of any direct involvement in the Blood War for some very profound and mysterious reasons... none of which are even alluded to by the PP. Either it's ignorant of the wider scope of the conflict at the time, or it's such a later addition of material from later times and later reasons, with little fact from the original time period, (and pardon the obscure real world allusion) we might as well be calling the PP something like the Hadith of Asmodeus.Not in Planescape canon he didn't. In PS and mainline Great Wheel history, Asmodeus fell from LN to LE, and after his fall into Baator he and his kindred the first baatezu displaced and largely eradicated the original Ancient Baatorians (who had been seeded there concurrently with the primordial Abyss being seeded with the Obyriths). Lucifer was briefly mentioned in a 1e article that wasn't canonical (placing one archdevil as ambassador to Canada or something gonzo like that), and mentioned offhandedly as a rumor in the 3e MotP, but not in the context of actual history across multiple sources.From a devil's perspective which would be worse, CG or CE? CE is a more immediate threat, and there's history (complex history) of why Evil has been eating itself for time immemorial, but it isn't exclusively because of the Law/Chaos split.For most settings, the story ends here, but in Planescape, Asmodeus reached with his plan further. In Planescape, Belief shapes the Planes.</blockquote>All of the outsiders think that their way is the only way, but they're not erasing one another's planes, nor should a unified baatezu belief system trump anyone elses. I presume that the various outsiders more or less cancel one another out, leaving mortals to shift the balance, and it's also possible that the earliest of the alignment outsiders might themselves be eternal constants in the belief shapes reality system. We know that the earliest of the outer planes (LN/CN/NG/NE/N) existed well prior to the origin of both mortal life and later on gods spawned by mortal belief. Given that some of the earliest outsiders still exist, they may or may not themselves be altered in the same way that gods demonstrably are, or the way that portions of the planes have shifted before. The planes have altered from their original forms yes, but certain constants have not.I'm also not inclined to grant Asmodeus that much influence or power compared to anyone else to fundamentally alter reality that way. YMMV. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />[/QUOTE]

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