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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1703184" data-attributes="member: 707">The druid isn't looking for the dragon.  He's looking for the dragon's lair.  With a horde to watch over, a dragon isn't going to be able to do the "sleep in a different place every night" trick the druid can.  It may take the druid days, even weeks, to find that lair in his swamp.  But once he does, he's good to start his personal war.I apologize.  This was my mistake.  In my previous post I meant per casting of the spell, but I goofed and wrote per jump, which as you correctly pointed out, is wrong.  3000ft. per jump (assuming the correct tree, which neither of us seem to care to do the research on. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />) and 6 miles in total for the spell.Actually, you're right.  The druid would add his Hide skill for the actual hiding on top of his Survival skill, for how well he manages to camoflage his campsite.No, that's just it, he doesn't.  All the time is on the druid's side.  The dragon won't even know he's being hunted until after the druid has already found his lair (which as I said could take days or weeks).  Once that happens, the dragon can try to find the druid (nearly impossible) each day, and whenever he comes back to his lair--he gets attacked by the druid.You don't seem to understand.  They don't have to "seriously" harm the dragon.  They just need to do 20 points of damage to him.  He'll heal 19 points overnight, and be down 1 the next day.  When the crocodiles attack him again.  Eventually (time is on the druid's side) the dragon will die, slowly, by taking a little bit more damage each day than he can heal.This isn't a matter of a single encounter.  In that case you'd be right.  This is a matter of one encounter -- every day -- until the dragon is dead, without the dragon having any means to stop the attacking, other than leaving.As I pointed out, the hardest part for the dragon will be finding the campsite in that 12 square mile area.  After that, slightly difficult, will be beating the druid's Hide + Survival (for disguising a campsite) rolls to actually see him.  And then, of course, the dragon still has to kill the druid before he escapes.  Because if he escapes, the dragon is screwed again.As someone else pointed out, the dragon could do this, but then the swamp wouldn't be a good place to live anymore.  So the dragon would eventually leave to find a living swamp, and the druid would start using his powers to restore the area.  The net result is still a victory for the druid: he got the dragon out of his swamp.Where is this lake?  And how is the dragon going to spot the wildshaped druid when the lightning bolts start raining down from the sky?  Or really, only one lightning bolt, since the 10th-level druid's Will Save versus the dragon's caster level of 3 means he's got a very, very good chance of saving versus the illusion after the first bolt.  At which point (if the true dragon has revealed itself) the next bolt strikes true.  Or, he simply flees and remembers the trick so he can circumvent it the next day.</blockquote>

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