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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1703243" data-attributes="member: 707">My DM, and myself as a DM.&nbsp; Not every use of every skill is going to be described in its description.&nbsp; When in the wild, concealing a campsite has always been Survival with my crew, Wilderness Lore in 3.0.He waits.&nbsp; Dragons have to eat like everyone else.&nbsp; They have things to do, treasure to collect.&nbsp; It's going to have to leave at some point, and when it does, it's going to get zapped again.&nbsp; Eventually, it'll fail its save, turn into a bunny, and get squished in the jaws of a wildshaped druid.lol.&nbsp; See, I'm not sure how much longer this discussion can continue, because now we've come to the point where your counter-arguments simply don't make any sense to me.&nbsp; What is the dragon going to do, pile all of its treasure into a sack, sling it over its shoulder, and start carrying it along with it to the bottom of a different swampy lake every day?&nbsp; 17,000gp is a lot of treasure to do that with.The spellcraft DC is for knowing what spell was cast.&nbsp; It tells you absolutely nothing about where the druid is or what form he's taken.&nbsp; And since the dragon wouldn't be near enough to hear any somatic components or see any verbal components (assuming there are any with Natural Spell), the DC would be considerably tougher than 18.Not true.&nbsp; Unless the animal is standing beside the dragon when he's spellcasting, of course.&nbsp; In which case, sure.&nbsp; At the range of Call Lightning Storm, though, it ain't going to happen.Um, no, it isn't.&nbsp; I'm perfectly happy assuming Tree Stride has a range of 6 miles.&nbsp; If you want to disprove me, the onus is on you to prove it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Pendragon, post: 1703243, member: 707"] My DM, and myself as a DM. Not every use of every skill is going to be described in its description. When in the wild, concealing a campsite has always been Survival with my crew, Wilderness Lore in 3.0.He waits. Dragons have to eat like everyone else. They have things to do, treasure to collect. It's going to have to leave at some point, and when it does, it's going to get zapped again. Eventually, it'll fail its save, turn into a bunny, and get squished in the jaws of a wildshaped druid.lol. See, I'm not sure how much longer this discussion can continue, because now we've come to the point where your counter-arguments simply don't make any sense to me. What is the dragon going to do, pile all of its treasure into a sack, sling it over its shoulder, and start carrying it along with it to the bottom of a different swampy lake every day? 17,000gp is a lot of treasure to do that with.The spellcraft DC is for knowing what spell was cast. It tells you absolutely nothing about [i]where the druid is[/i] or [i]what form he's taken[/i]. And since the dragon wouldn't be near enough to hear any somatic components or see any verbal components (assuming there are any with Natural Spell), the DC would be considerably tougher than 18.Not true. Unless the animal is standing beside the dragon when he's spellcasting, of course. In which case, sure. At the range of [i]Call Lightning Storm[/i], though, it ain't going to happen.Um, no, it isn't. I'm perfectly happy assuming [i]Tree Stride[/i] has a range of 6 miles. If you want to disprove me, the onus is on you to prove it. [/QUOTE]

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