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<blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 1703288" data-attributes="member: 2518">So it is a houserule. By the RAW only the hide skill counts.Which pretty much defeats the whole call lightning tactic as the dragon can heal in his lair undisturbed.Only a small part of a dragons hoard consist out of coins. It also has many gems and magical items, which are much easier to carry.And dragons have big mouths to carry treasure in.Alternativly, the dragon can hide the treasure.Is castedIt does, because the dragon sees the druid castingRead the feat again. there are V and S components. And they aren't hidden so even without a spellcraft check one can identify them as spellcasting.Show me the rule which says otehrwise.Also the dragon can see perfectly fine at 200 ft distance with its keen senses and high spot check.Again, nothing says natural spell does hide spellcasting. So by the RAW you notice it when a wildshaped druid casts a spell as long as you can see him. (I am generous by requiering a spellcraft check, but by the RAW this isn't neccessary).So, suddenly you use call lightning storm? And which 5th level spell is replaced by it? Tree stride, Wall of Thornes or Baleful polymorph? All of them are used in your plans, but the druid doesn't has that many 5th level spells availiable.Also the druid has to see the dragon too. having a lower spot check and no keen senses the druid has to come close to the dragon. 320 ft at least with a +5 wis mod, maxed spot check, clear line of sight and average rolls.Considering that the dragon can see 380 ft (assuming the druid is in a small form) without even rolling its unlikely that the dragons doesn't see the druid when casting a spell.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Derren, post: 1703288, member: 2518"] So it is a houserule. By the RAW only the hide skill counts. Which pretty much defeats the whole call lightning tactic as the dragon can heal in his lair undisturbed. Only a small part of a dragons hoard consist out of coins. It also has many gems and magical items, which are much easier to carry. And dragons have big mouths to carry treasure in. Alternativly, the dragon can hide the treasure. Is casted It does, because the dragon sees the druid casting Read the feat again. there are V and S components. And they aren't hidden so even without a spellcraft check one can identify them as spellcasting. Show me the rule which says otehrwise. Also the dragon can see perfectly fine at 200 ft distance with its keen senses and high spot check. Again, nothing says natural spell does hide spellcasting. So by the RAW you notice it when a wildshaped druid casts a spell as long as you can see him. (I am generous by requiering a spellcraft check, but by the RAW this isn't neccessary). So, suddenly you use call lightning storm? And which 5th level spell is replaced by it? Tree stride, Wall of Thornes or Baleful polymorph? All of them are used in your plans, but the druid doesn't has that many 5th level spells availiable. Also the druid has to see the dragon too. having a lower spot check and no keen senses the druid has to come close to the dragon. 320 ft at least with a +5 wis mod, maxed spot check, clear line of sight and average rolls. Considering that the dragon can see 380 ft (assuming the druid is in a small form) without even rolling its unlikely that the dragons doesn't see the druid when casting a spell. [/QUOTE]

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