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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7145174" data-attributes="member: 97077">Rulings are what matter, not RAW. If you say it takes an ability check to create a map for some reason, then it does. I establish the uncertainty as being related to the hectic conditions of adventuring, for example. If a character was instead drawing a map while sitting still in a comfortable, well-lit environment without the constant threat of monsters eating their face, then yeah, it's reasonable that no check is needed.As well, there may be other reasons why a character may have to make an ability check using Cartographers' Tools other than map creation. You might want to think of a few situations like that. Interpreting ancient maps, telling a forgery from the real deal, copying a complicated map, charting a complex course for some kind of gain, creating a good map in a very short amount of time, forging a map to mislead an enemy, etc.Notably, a player shouldn't want to roll dice anyway since the d20 is nobody's friend. Perhaps Cartographer's Tools proficiency are required to draw a map while traveling with no check. Everyone else rolls. Or proficiency with Cartographer's Tools allows someone drawing a map while traveling to also keep watch for hidden dangers (like a ranger in favored terrain). Therefore the investment has a payoff.As noted earlier, maps can be worth gold. So you could also say that while drawing a map can be done by anyone, drawing one someone would pay gold for requires proficiency.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7145174, member: 97077"] Rulings are what matter, not RAW. If you say it takes an ability check to create a map for some reason, then it does. I establish the uncertainty as being related to the hectic conditions of adventuring, for example. If a character was instead drawing a map while sitting still in a comfortable, well-lit environment without the constant threat of monsters eating their face, then yeah, it's reasonable that no check is needed. As well, there may be other reasons why a character may have to make an ability check using Cartographers' Tools other than map creation. You might want to think of a few situations like that. Interpreting ancient maps, telling a forgery from the real deal, copying a complicated map, charting a complex course for some kind of gain, creating a good map in a very short amount of time, forging a map to mislead an enemy, etc. Notably, a player shouldn't want to roll dice anyway since the d20 is nobody's friend. Perhaps Cartographer's Tools proficiency are required to draw a map while traveling with no check. Everyone else rolls. Or proficiency with Cartographer's Tools allows someone drawing a map while traveling to also keep watch for hidden dangers (like a ranger in favored terrain). Therefore the investment has a payoff. As noted earlier, maps can be worth gold. So you could also say that while drawing a map can be done by anyone, drawing one someone would pay gold for requires proficiency. [/QUOTE]

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