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Message: <blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 7140587" data-attributes="member: 6704184">They do? Why? IMO, no, they don't. But grazing land is also only required for grazing animals. Again, humans turned wolves into dogs, a creature that is genetically predisposed to do whatever the hell we want (seriously, it's almost creepy how much we have changed the instincts of dogs), and would definately let us ride them if their backs could carry us without breaking. Pony sized carnivores/omnivores would work fine without grazing land.  A diet of snails, mushrooms and the like, and burrowing creatures could trivially sustain a population and their animals. Trade for stuff like fruits would probably exist, but it wouldn't be required for their survival. Seriously, snails as big as your head. Huge caloric value per gallon of water and pound of feed. Prehistoric humans in Europe farmed them as a staple food, before the climate changed. Also, remember that Dwarves are slower than humans on foot, so the incentive for war mounts might be even greater. As for the greenhouse, I don't think that a settlement having one or two items that can create the Daylight (a 3rd level spell) effect requires that magic be "extraordinarily common". Nor does a culture having the ability to build construct servants, though it at least requires more common magic than the daylight effect. Or technology and a little magic. Heck, if the mountain dwarves and hill dwarves are close enough, ponies would be a great option. They're strong as hell, and make excellent mounts as long as you aren't too tall. Even without the hill dwarves, since when do mountain dwarves not interact at all with the surface of their mountains? They can't have valley pastures in their mountain ranges? I assure you, horses are raised in the mountains IRL. I know from direct personal experience. I also know from experience that you don't actually have to let them graze, it's just better for their temperament and health to do so. You can just harvest food and feed them in their stables, and most horses I've dealt with ate more that way than at pasture, for a lot of the year. But you'd have to breed them to be happy underground, and a bunch of other stuff, if you wanted to use them for subterranean war. For that, you want something that lives there naturally, and is already adapted for not running into things because it can't see.</blockquote>

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