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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 3300209" data-attributes="member: 6562">Totally. For Sorcerers, it's a replacement Quicken -- since Quicken is useless to Sorcerers (under Core rules -- and likewise for the poor, forgotten Bard). For Wizards, it's a tactical consideration -- they're usually better of buying a Rod of Quickening, and thus using metamagic on their highest spell levels via a magic item. For a Sorcerer, the question is when to take this spell, not if he should take it. (For a Wizard, it's an odd-ball spell -- not nearly as useful as a Rod of Metamagic, unless he regularly uses a bunch of 1st and 2nd level self-buffs in combat.)For the Gish, it's a 2nd level "extra attack" spell, or a 2nd level "move and full attack" spell. This makes a high-level BAB +15 Gish more dangerous, close to where a BAB +20 warrior would be (but for a limited number of rounds).I'm not particularly keen on boosting the incidental bonuses too much more with respect to levels. As a multi-use utility spell, it should be strictly inferior to all the other options that are available -- e.g. the extra spell slot per round costs the same as the spell you are Quickening, as opposed to +4 levels. This starts out cheap in terms of spell levels (when you have few spells per day), but becomes more expensive if you want to Quicken high level spells.Finally, for a Gish, the major benefit of using a higher level spell-slot would be gaining the benefit of a higher-level buff spell, and still getting in a full attack. That's quite strong IMHO.Anyway. Just my thoughts on this thorny haste issue. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

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