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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3782389" data-attributes="member: 22779">To be fair, I'm not likely going to be an early adopter, so, I'm pretty happy with 3e.That being said, there are some fairly serious wrinkles with 3e.  The DM's workload is a major element.  People have been complaining about how 3e is the game everyone wants to play but no one wants to DM for years.  And it's a valid point.  Prepping for 3e is a major chore.Sure, if you stick to Core 3e, then you're likely not having too many problems, other than fighters being useless at high levels.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  And, if you're not going above level 12, then you likely have few problems as well.  However, there are a fair number of gamers out there who would like to use all the rules in the book, rather than ending things just as the PC's start getting into their big money powers.Hopefully 4e will allow that to happen.</blockquote>