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If A Baroness married A King and at least 2 children would the 2nd child be allowed to inherit their mothers title of Senior Baroness and her Barony?
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<blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 8961513" data-attributes="member: 6988941"><p>We should note that the ability to will a noble estate to a particular child of one's choosing was pretty rare, but since there is a king involved all things politically possible are legally possible. Generally noble titles and estates are not something the possesor can bestow on another (at that point they are effectively saleable) but sometimes one can abdicate them in favor of an heir or renounce inheritance in favor of another heir, and Kings can bestow their lesser titles on whom they choose, so by means of some combination of such methods such an inheritance scheme could be implemented by one means or another... if everyone played along. We should also note that some of the highest profile incidents of dividing the inheritances of two parents between two children involved major national or international political considerations, treaties, etc. and are not really indicative of what was typical.</p><p></p><p>While my sense is that its reasonably common for a second child to eventually get the lower status parent's noble estate while their elder sibling ascends to the throne, within a primogeniture system (which seems to be what we are assuming here, or else it's really up in the air) it would actually be fairly unusual to take any action to make them direct heir before the elder child's other inheritance has vested.</p><p></p><p>Which is to say, that after the king dies and the elder child is king, if the mother is still alive her willing her estate to her other child (usually not possible) or more likely getting the king child to renounce the inheritance in favor of his sibling, would not be unheard of. It would also be very normal for the elder child, upon inheriting this lesser estate to bestow it on a sibling. <em>But</em> what if the mother predeceases the father? </p><p></p><p>Medieval values would not approve of the younger child becoming a baron (much less as "senior baron", whatever that is) while their elder sibling, destined for the dignity of the very crown, is without lands. At the very least most medieval people would probably feel that a large landed estate in possession of the crown <em>should</em> be settled upon the elder child before this is allowed to pass, or very quickly after. Which is not to say that this <em>would always</em> happen and I think younger sibling being favored with mother's estate while elder sibling is stuck landless for decades while father, the king, refuses to die or settle any lands upon his heir is a pretty good origin story for a medieval royal rivalry. But it would probably be more typical to just let the elder child be in line to inherit the mother's estate with the understanding that it would be bestowed upon their sibling when they ascend to the throne or if they already have. An elder child refusing to honor mother's legally non-binding wishes on that front is also a pretty good basis for a royal rivalry.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Benjamin Olson, post: 8961513, member: 6988941"] We should note that the ability to will a noble estate to a particular child of one's choosing was pretty rare, but since there is a king involved all things politically possible are legally possible. Generally noble titles and estates are not something the possesor can bestow on another (at that point they are effectively saleable) but sometimes one can abdicate them in favor of an heir or renounce inheritance in favor of another heir, and Kings can bestow their lesser titles on whom they choose, so by means of some combination of such methods such an inheritance scheme could be implemented by one means or another... if everyone played along. We should also note that some of the highest profile incidents of dividing the inheritances of two parents between two children involved major national or international political considerations, treaties, etc. and are not really indicative of what was typical. While my sense is that its reasonably common for a second child to eventually get the lower status parent's noble estate while their elder sibling ascends to the throne, within a primogeniture system (which seems to be what we are assuming here, or else it's really up in the air) it would actually be fairly unusual to take any action to make them direct heir before the elder child's other inheritance has vested. Which is to say, that after the king dies and the elder child is king, if the mother is still alive her willing her estate to her other child (usually not possible) or more likely getting the king child to renounce the inheritance in favor of his sibling, would not be unheard of. It would also be very normal for the elder child, upon inheriting this lesser estate to bestow it on a sibling. [I]But[/I] what if the mother predeceases the father? Medieval values would not approve of the younger child becoming a baron (much less as "senior baron", whatever that is) while their elder sibling, destined for the dignity of the very crown, is without lands. At the very least most medieval people would probably feel that a large landed estate in possession of the crown [I]should[/I] be settled upon the elder child before this is allowed to pass, or very quickly after. Which is not to say that this [I]would always[/I] happen and I think younger sibling being favored with mother's estate while elder sibling is stuck landless for decades while father, the king, refuses to die or settle any lands upon his heir is a pretty good origin story for a medieval royal rivalry. But it would probably be more typical to just let the elder child be in line to inherit the mother's estate with the understanding that it would be bestowed upon their sibling when they ascend to the throne or if they already have. An elder child refusing to honor mother's legally non-binding wishes on that front is also a pretty good basis for a royal rivalry. [/QUOTE]
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