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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Trickstergod" data-source="post: 1740422" data-attributes="member: 10825">Maybe I'm mistaken in this, but wasn't a major part of Elminster's point that he represented to the players that, no matter how big their PC's got, there was always going to be someone bigger and better then them? I've always considered Elminster to be possibly the worst offenders when it comes to pet NPC's, for the simple fact that most pet NPC's are confined to individual campaigns, whereas Elminster is widely published. He seems the prime example of what a bad NPC represents, in my opinion. Not that I think that walking plot devices are bad things. I will say, though, that if PC goals begin having a conflict of interests with a plot device in some way, the PC's come first. I've seen my share of plot device characters that just seemed to railroad PC's or overshadow them or offer the DM a PC (and typically a superior one at that).</blockquote>