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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 7583014" data-attributes="member: 19857"><p>Yeah - my players are always asking whether or not they can make this check or that check. The games with kids especially - they want to roll dice and they keep looking for ways to use their skills. With the kids I insist that they not just make a roll but that they propose what they want to do - "I want to use my Insight to..." or "I want to use my Athletics to..." - and then I'll tell them whether or not they just succeed without having to roll, or if I want them to roll, or if what they're proposing is impossible so it won't matter how they roll (the kids are actually pretty good at not proposing impossible stuff for their characters though - much better than the guys I gamed with back when I was their age tbh). </p><p></p><p>The table I've been playing with for going on two decades now (yeesh) used to do the same kind of "look through the skill list to propose an action and a skill for it" when they wanted to do something. Since we switched to 13th age, which doesn't have skills but has the more looser idea of backgrounds, they're more likely to just propose what they want to do first and give me an idea of which of their character's backgrounds suggests that they should get a bonus to the roll. Even though it's basically the same thing, it's more fun for me because it's more fun to hear their stories about why their background should apply rather than arguments over whether Perception should work for this instead of Investigation or whatever because they have a higher Perception score. (I do have the one player who really tries his best to shoehorn his highest background into every check just like he'd always try to figure out some way to use his best skill for every check - no worries when I tell him no, but that's part of the fun for him, and honestly it's fun to hear him rattle off bizarre stories of why his background should apply even when he's clearly just trying to get that extra bonus on his roll).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jer, post: 7583014, member: 19857"] Yeah - my players are always asking whether or not they can make this check or that check. The games with kids especially - they want to roll dice and they keep looking for ways to use their skills. With the kids I insist that they not just make a roll but that they propose what they want to do - "I want to use my Insight to..." or "I want to use my Athletics to..." - and then I'll tell them whether or not they just succeed without having to roll, or if I want them to roll, or if what they're proposing is impossible so it won't matter how they roll (the kids are actually pretty good at not proposing impossible stuff for their characters though - much better than the guys I gamed with back when I was their age tbh). The table I've been playing with for going on two decades now (yeesh) used to do the same kind of "look through the skill list to propose an action and a skill for it" when they wanted to do something. Since we switched to 13th age, which doesn't have skills but has the more looser idea of backgrounds, they're more likely to just propose what they want to do first and give me an idea of which of their character's backgrounds suggests that they should get a bonus to the roll. Even though it's basically the same thing, it's more fun for me because it's more fun to hear their stories about why their background should apply rather than arguments over whether Perception should work for this instead of Investigation or whatever because they have a higher Perception score. (I do have the one player who really tries his best to shoehorn his highest background into every check just like he'd always try to figure out some way to use his best skill for every check - no worries when I tell him no, but that's part of the fun for him, and honestly it's fun to hear him rattle off bizarre stories of why his background should apply even when he's clearly just trying to get that extra bonus on his roll). [/QUOTE]
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