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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7585512" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I guess a big difference here is I never want my skills to ask questions for me. </p><p></p><p>Talking to an NPC and seeing if the details change is something I would declare I am doing, and I'd either be asking those questions live or I'd tell my DM I'm doing that thing and see what they tell me the results are. I would not want the success of that action to rest on an Insight check. Insight doesn't tell me if I asked the right questions, at least, not in my mind. Insight is the action of gaining insight into a person. </p><p></p><p>And, to be clear, it can be used for more than lying. Insight into if a person is happy, sad, angry, ect, but I don't expect Insight to tell me if I asked the NPC a detail from their past that only they would know to prove they aren't a changeling. I just ask them that thing, it doesn't require a check. </p><p></p><p></p><p>So, out of pure curiousity of our different styles, if you can't use Insight in reading body language and vocal intonation through observation, and you don't use it instead of actually asking the relevant questions, what is the use you find for Insight? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, we can't do it in real life. But people do it all the time in fiction. </p><p></p><p>That's what I want to emulate. And frankly, my DM's are not good actors. They can't precisely control every aspect of their delivery to give me subtle clues that the NPC is lying, and sometimes when they tell me "he's sweating a lot" it is a clue with many different interpretations. Insight can be used so the DM pulls back the curtain a bit and says "Your character is fictionally good at reading people, and with that unearthly insight you can determine this about the person" </p><p></p><p>The dragon is scratching the floor tiles as you talk. I can tell a player this, but if they roll a high insight on I feel I'm okay to tell them whether the dragon is bored, has a nervous tic, or is about to rend the diplomatic party limb from limb and bath in their blood. They are free to interpret the action however they feel like without insight, but if they ask in the fiction if they can determine more, and they roll well, I feel like I should allow them to learn more.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7585512, member: 6801228"] I guess a big difference here is I never want my skills to ask questions for me. Talking to an NPC and seeing if the details change is something I would declare I am doing, and I'd either be asking those questions live or I'd tell my DM I'm doing that thing and see what they tell me the results are. I would not want the success of that action to rest on an Insight check. Insight doesn't tell me if I asked the right questions, at least, not in my mind. Insight is the action of gaining insight into a person. And, to be clear, it can be used for more than lying. Insight into if a person is happy, sad, angry, ect, but I don't expect Insight to tell me if I asked the NPC a detail from their past that only they would know to prove they aren't a changeling. I just ask them that thing, it doesn't require a check. So, out of pure curiousity of our different styles, if you can't use Insight in reading body language and vocal intonation through observation, and you don't use it instead of actually asking the relevant questions, what is the use you find for Insight? Yes, we can't do it in real life. But people do it all the time in fiction. That's what I want to emulate. And frankly, my DM's are not good actors. They can't precisely control every aspect of their delivery to give me subtle clues that the NPC is lying, and sometimes when they tell me "he's sweating a lot" it is a clue with many different interpretations. Insight can be used so the DM pulls back the curtain a bit and says "Your character is fictionally good at reading people, and with that unearthly insight you can determine this about the person" The dragon is scratching the floor tiles as you talk. I can tell a player this, but if they roll a high insight on I feel I'm okay to tell them whether the dragon is bored, has a nervous tic, or is about to rend the diplomatic party limb from limb and bath in their blood. They are free to interpret the action however they feel like without insight, but if they ask in the fiction if they can determine more, and they roll well, I feel like I should allow them to learn more. [/QUOTE]
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