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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7585910"><p>This is getting more and more surreal.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't you think, if Insight was intended as lie detection, it would have read something along the lines of, "Insight decides whether you can tell if somebody is lying." Why go through all the circumlocution of "determine the true intentions..."</p><p></p><p>Maybe, just <em>maybe</em> it's because it's not intended as "lie detection".</p><p></p><p>Here's an example: you're talking to your mechanic, who tells you that your rotors are out of true by 3mm, but that there's not enough material left to resurface them so they'll have to be replaced, and it'll take about 5 hours to do all four of them, and with parts and labor that's going to be $1,300.</p><p></p><p>You succeed at your Insight roll and the DM tells you that he's hoping to make a lot of money off of you. That's his "true intention".</p><p></p><p>Is he actually lying? You don't know (not unless you succeed at an Arcana check involving brake rotors). And you certainly don't know (as [MENTION=6776133]Bawylie[/MENTION] says) if any one particular statement is a lie (the 3mm, whether or not they can be resurfaced, how long that should take, etc.). Just that you're probably not getting a good deal from this guy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wow. Just...wow.</p><p></p><p>I'll file that one under "complete and utter absence of comprehension."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7585910"] This is getting more and more surreal. Don't you think, if Insight was intended as lie detection, it would have read something along the lines of, "Insight decides whether you can tell if somebody is lying." Why go through all the circumlocution of "determine the true intentions..." Maybe, just [I]maybe[/I] it's because it's not intended as "lie detection". Here's an example: you're talking to your mechanic, who tells you that your rotors are out of true by 3mm, but that there's not enough material left to resurface them so they'll have to be replaced, and it'll take about 5 hours to do all four of them, and with parts and labor that's going to be $1,300. You succeed at your Insight roll and the DM tells you that he's hoping to make a lot of money off of you. That's his "true intention". Is he actually lying? You don't know (not unless you succeed at an Arcana check involving brake rotors). And you certainly don't know (as [MENTION=6776133]Bawylie[/MENTION] says) if any one particular statement is a lie (the 3mm, whether or not they can be resurfaced, how long that should take, etc.). Just that you're probably not getting a good deal from this guy. Wow. Just...wow. I'll file that one under "complete and utter absence of comprehension." [/QUOTE]
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