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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7586063">Utter logic failure.I noted a pattern that all the skills (except one, if Hussar is right) represent normal things that people can do in real life.&nbsp; I said nothing about the entire rest of the game.Not sure if you are being disingenuous or don't understand the difference...?I think you (and Hussar) are making up/exaggerating differences here.I wouldn't tell a player he can't shoot an arrow at the moon, nor would I tell him he can't make a dice roll.&nbsp; However, I might ignore the dice roll, even if he got a nat 20.The same with lie detection.&nbsp; If he asks &quot;can I tell if he's lying&quot; I might say, &quot;I dunno...what do you do?&quot;&nbsp; If he then says, &quot;I roll Insight!&quot;...and rolls a natural 20...I might again ignore the result.How are those two examples any different?&nbsp; Is it because you think detecting a lie is always easier than shooting an arrow at the moon? Now, after playing together for a while, this player might learn that there's no point to saying, &quot;I use skill X!&quot; and rolling dice, and instead just describing what he/she does, and rolling dice when the DM calls for it.So are Wuxia acrobatics.&nbsp; So does a successful Acrobatics check mean you can run up walls and fly through the air, regardless of what the DM says?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7586063"] Utter logic failure. I noted a pattern that all the skills (except one, if Hussar is right) represent normal things that people can do in real life. I said nothing about [I]the entire rest of the game[/I]. Not sure if you are being disingenuous or don't understand the difference...? I think you (and Hussar) are making up/exaggerating differences here. I wouldn't tell a player he can't shoot an arrow at the moon, nor would I tell him he can't make a dice roll. However, I might [I]ignore[/I] the dice roll, even if he got a nat 20. The same with lie detection. If he asks "can I tell if he's lying" I might say, "I dunno...what do you do?" If he then says, "I roll Insight!"...and rolls a natural 20...I might again ignore the result. How are those two examples any different? Is it because you think detecting a lie is always easier than shooting an arrow at the moon? Now, after playing together for a while, this player might learn that there's no point to saying, "I use skill X!" and rolling dice, and instead just describing what he/she does, and rolling dice when the DM calls for it. So are Wuxia acrobatics. So does a successful Acrobatics check mean you can run up walls and fly through the air, regardless of what the DM says? [/QUOTE]

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