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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7586066" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>My general way of managing the rules varies.</p><p></p><p>If you ask specific detail of specific elements such as does magic misdile cause one concentration check or three and does thunderwave knock you prone and msny other cases you see sage asked about, i go to the text of the rules and that is what Sage does often.</p><p></p><p>But when it comes to "can you do this..." questions especially for the broad scope of intentionally broad an vague left-for-gm-define-on-fly, i get a lot less worried with the strict language and more concerned with the basics of the resolution system.</p><p></p><p>Is this possible? Is it not automatic? If both are yes, what traits are best to represent the check?</p><p></p><p>Obviously, there is more to it, but those basics cover the gist.</p><p></p><p>So when i see multiple folks partly quoting insight skill descritions, often cutting out the specific part about "searching out a lie" to convolute a non-lie detector feature for insight... It is amusing and would likely drive me from a table fast. After all, if they only allow tasks explicitly listed in skills to be tried with ability checks, thats a sure tell.</p><p></p><p>I mean, for me, i have to wonder what "searching out a lie" means in their games? Is it literally a search check, like,looking under the drawer for a note saying "bob is not telling the truth"?</p><p></p><p>Or are they saying their is no character skill that applies when trying to see if someone seems truthful? All characters equally goid or bad at that?</p><p></p><p>If there is a check, but its not insight, what is the relevant trait? Hey, is this a yse for Medicine skill?</p><p></p><p>Can you only get the intention to decieve for future statements, not current ones, letting insight clue you in if he is planning to lie to you tomortow but not that he is doing it right now? </p><p></p><p>Course for some, it might depend on how much of which crime tv drama episode the player mimics in his own statement to the GM. Did the GM most recently see the he-said-she-said SVU episode or the one where the detectives all stand outside the window saying "its obvious he is lying."?</p><p></p><p>But for me, my view is pretty simple, but it works for us, if the **character** is in discussion with another character the question of "do i see signs of deception?" is likely to get resolved using Charisma with deception/persuasion and Wisdom with Insight as the core factors in most cases. Sure there may be other factors and sure spells can help or just really dominate the question, Detect Thoughts seems bigger than Zone of Truth.</p><p></p><p>Ok, some of the above may be a little tongue-in-cheeky, but all in all at the end of the day, it is the end of the day. Or maybe its the beginning of the day and we were being lied to. Roll insight?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7586066, member: 6919838"] My general way of managing the rules varies. If you ask specific detail of specific elements such as does magic misdile cause one concentration check or three and does thunderwave knock you prone and msny other cases you see sage asked about, i go to the text of the rules and that is what Sage does often. But when it comes to "can you do this..." questions especially for the broad scope of intentionally broad an vague left-for-gm-define-on-fly, i get a lot less worried with the strict language and more concerned with the basics of the resolution system. Is this possible? Is it not automatic? If both are yes, what traits are best to represent the check? Obviously, there is more to it, but those basics cover the gist. So when i see multiple folks partly quoting insight skill descritions, often cutting out the specific part about "searching out a lie" to convolute a non-lie detector feature for insight... It is amusing and would likely drive me from a table fast. After all, if they only allow tasks explicitly listed in skills to be tried with ability checks, thats a sure tell. I mean, for me, i have to wonder what "searching out a lie" means in their games? Is it literally a search check, like,looking under the drawer for a note saying "bob is not telling the truth"? Or are they saying their is no character skill that applies when trying to see if someone seems truthful? All characters equally goid or bad at that? If there is a check, but its not insight, what is the relevant trait? Hey, is this a yse for Medicine skill? Can you only get the intention to decieve for future statements, not current ones, letting insight clue you in if he is planning to lie to you tomortow but not that he is doing it right now? Course for some, it might depend on how much of which crime tv drama episode the player mimics in his own statement to the GM. Did the GM most recently see the he-said-she-said SVU episode or the one where the detectives all stand outside the window saying "its obvious he is lying."? But for me, my view is pretty simple, but it works for us, if the **character** is in discussion with another character the question of "do i see signs of deception?" is likely to get resolved using Charisma with deception/persuasion and Wisdom with Insight as the core factors in most cases. Sure there may be other factors and sure spells can help or just really dominate the question, Detect Thoughts seems bigger than Zone of Truth. Ok, some of the above may be a little tongue-in-cheeky, but all in all at the end of the day, it is the end of the day. Or maybe its the beginning of the day and we were being lied to. Roll insight? [/QUOTE]
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