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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7587416" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>"So for me, declaring “I’m going to make an insight check” isn’t a sufficient declaration. I’d like clarification. What do you hope to find out? How are you finding it out? If you just rolled and I didn’t give you anything close to what you intended as a result, you might reasonably feel that was a waste of time or that your investment/action is of little value. By clarifying before the roll, I can at least ensure I’ve faithfully carried out what you proposed when I narrate the result of the roll. "</p><p></p><p>again we go back to this...</p><p></p><p>first, at my table, we develop a good shared understanding of what insight skill expertise represents well before it becomes the issue at the table. <strong>that is very important! We need to know this before we get to the rolling, be on the same page.</strong> Why?</p><p></p><p>because of course that player in chargen had the option to choose other skills to be proficient with. that kinda needed to be an informed decision, right? if they chose insight and what they thought was actually going to be covered by investigation in my game, we still gots a problem when it hits and they try it and even with the greatest descipriont ever the Gm says "roll investigate int check" and the player looks at his non-proficient 8 int check vs his proficient 16 wisdom check and goes WTF.</p><p></p><p>So, if your table is resolving those issues not at chargen but at the point of occurrence play, hey, glad that works for you. For me and mine, we find its a lot better to get that nailed down way way way way before that.</p><p></p><p>But if the case is still vague at the moment of play, somehow, i have found an amazing solution, i ask. if its not clear by context of the scene and the moment - if somehow its not obvious whether or not this insight check is for checking for lies or evidence of deception vs say trying to predict the targets next move, then i ask *if* it matters to the resolution.</p><p></p><p>That gods awful video about the way thw world ends in fire if a player calls for ca check used an example of a player saying " i check arcana as i examine the painting" and in fact for me thats fine, i give him whatever answers would be appropriate for that skill about that painting. In the case in question it would be about whatever arcane symbols and spell effects were evident. </p><p></p><p>But for me, almost always when a player tells me "i want an insight check" or "can i check insight on that" the context as to what they are after is obvious. So, this is a problem i do not see in actual play anywhere as much as it seems to be boogeymanned here.</p><p></p><p>but thats my table.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7587416, member: 6919838"] "So for me, declaring “I’m going to make an insight check” isn’t a sufficient declaration. I’d like clarification. What do you hope to find out? How are you finding it out? If you just rolled and I didn’t give you anything close to what you intended as a result, you might reasonably feel that was a waste of time or that your investment/action is of little value. By clarifying before the roll, I can at least ensure I’ve faithfully carried out what you proposed when I narrate the result of the roll. " again we go back to this... first, at my table, we develop a good shared understanding of what insight skill expertise represents well before it becomes the issue at the table. [B]that is very important! We need to know this before we get to the rolling, be on the same page.[/B] Why? because of course that player in chargen had the option to choose other skills to be proficient with. that kinda needed to be an informed decision, right? if they chose insight and what they thought was actually going to be covered by investigation in my game, we still gots a problem when it hits and they try it and even with the greatest descipriont ever the Gm says "roll investigate int check" and the player looks at his non-proficient 8 int check vs his proficient 16 wisdom check and goes WTF. So, if your table is resolving those issues not at chargen but at the point of occurrence play, hey, glad that works for you. For me and mine, we find its a lot better to get that nailed down way way way way before that. But if the case is still vague at the moment of play, somehow, i have found an amazing solution, i ask. if its not clear by context of the scene and the moment - if somehow its not obvious whether or not this insight check is for checking for lies or evidence of deception vs say trying to predict the targets next move, then i ask *if* it matters to the resolution. That gods awful video about the way thw world ends in fire if a player calls for ca check used an example of a player saying " i check arcana as i examine the painting" and in fact for me thats fine, i give him whatever answers would be appropriate for that skill about that painting. In the case in question it would be about whatever arcane symbols and spell effects were evident. But for me, almost always when a player tells me "i want an insight check" or "can i check insight on that" the context as to what they are after is obvious. So, this is a problem i do not see in actual play anywhere as much as it seems to be boogeymanned here. but thats my table. [/QUOTE]
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