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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7587420" data-attributes="member: 97077">I'd take it one step further and say that the whole &quot;challenge the characters, not the players&quot; position that underpins some of the posters' arguments here is completely bogus. The player is always the one who is being challenged. And the challenge in this game is to put your character in the best position to succeed at your desired goal. The difficulty depends on your stated approach relative to the fictional situation as described by the DM. The difficulty is higher when achieving the desired goal is less likely and lower when it's more likely.I used to make the &quot;challenge the characters, not the players&quot; argument back when I was playing D&amp;D 4e more often. That argument (and I) was wrong then and it's wrong now (so I no longer make that argument). The character is not a real thing. While it's being challenged in a fictional sense - a bold adventurer confronting deadly perils - in terms of game play, it's always the player that is being challenged.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7587420, member: 97077"] I'd take it one step further and say that the whole "challenge the characters, not the players" position that underpins some of the posters' arguments here is completely bogus. The player is [I]always[/I] the one who is being challenged. And the [I]challenge[/I] in this game is to put your character in the best position to succeed at your desired goal. The [I]difficulty[/I] depends on your stated approach relative to the fictional situation as described by the DM. The difficulty is higher when achieving the desired goal is less likely and lower when it's more likely. I used to make the "challenge the characters, not the players" argument back when I was playing D&D 4e more often. That argument (and I) was wrong then and it's wrong now (so I no longer make that argument). The character is not a real thing. While it's being challenged in a fictional sense - a bold adventurer confronting deadly perils - in terms of game play, it's always the player that is being challenged. [/QUOTE]

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