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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7587790" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Back to the OP.&nbsp; I can see it now.&nbsp; The group has been hired by an insurance company to investigate a jewelry store heist.&nbsp; They're questioning the shopkeeper.DM/shopkeeper &quot;So I locked up the store as usual, set the normal traps and went upstairs to bed.&quot;
Player: &quot;You sleep above the shop?&quot;
DM/shopkeeper: &quot;Yes, it's part of the compensation, and I'm single so it works well for me.&quot;
Player: &quot;So no witness and you didn't hear anything at all during the night.&quot;
DM/shopkeeper: &quot;No witnesses and no I didn't hear anything.&nbsp; But this building is very solidly built for a reason.&quot;
Player: &quot;And there was no sign of forced entry, the traps were still set.&quot;
DM/shopkeeper: &quot;That's right.&nbsp; In fact the traps are supposed to ward against magical entry as well.&quot;
Player: &quot;I don't believe him, I think he's hiding something.&quot;
DM: &quot;Okay.&quot;
Player: &quot;Umm...can I get a read on him?&nbsp; An insight check?&quot;
DM: &quot;No.&quot;
Player: &quot;What do you mean?&quot;
DM: &quot;The players don't get to ask to do skill checks.&nbsp; They declare action and intent.&quot;
Player: &quot;So...I'm studying him closely looking for signs that he's being deceptive.&quot;
DM: &quot;Okay&quot;
Player: &quot;So can I roll an insight check?&quot;
DM: &quot;No&quot;
Player: &quot;Why not?&nbsp; The PHB says I can use an insight check to try to determine their true intentions.&quot;
DM: &quot;Because I didn't ask for an insight check.&quot;
Player: &quot;What the f... okay.&nbsp; Mother may I have an insight check?&quot;
DM: &quot;No.&quot;
Player: &quot;Dude, I have investigator as my background.&nbsp; I took Inquisitive Rogue so that I'd be particularly good at it.&nbsp; I have the Ear For Deceit feature and expertise in insight. This is kind of a big deal for me.&nbsp; Can I roll an insight check?&quot;
DM: &quot;No, asking for a check does not entitle you to a roll.&quot;
Is that seriously how this could go if the shopkeeper is telling the truth?&nbsp; Or lying for that matter, and you just don't think there's a reason to suspect the shopkeeper?&nbsp; Because honestly, I wouldn't want to play with a DM that did this.Because in my game it would be...skipping a few lines...Player: &quot;I don't believe him, I think he's hiding something.&quot;DM: &quot;Give me an insight check.&quot;Player: &quot;20&quot;or evenPlayer: &quot;I don't believe him, I make an insight check of 20&quot;My response as DM is going to be something like: &quot;He seems to be telling the truth.&quot;&nbsp;And so on and so forth.&nbsp; Or maybe I'd reveal that the shopkeeper seemed nervous because to me the shopkeeper knows how bad this looks. Or maybe he's as cool as a cucumber and just really good at lying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7587790, member: 6801845"] Back to the OP. I can see it now. The group has been hired by an insurance company to investigate a jewelry store heist. They're questioning the shopkeeper. [INDENT]DM/shopkeeper "So I locked up the store as usual, set the normal traps and went upstairs to bed." Player: "You sleep above the shop?" DM/shopkeeper: "Yes, it's part of the compensation, and I'm single so it works well for me." Player: "So no witness and you didn't hear anything at all during the night." DM/shopkeeper: "No witnesses and no I didn't hear anything. But this building is very solidly built for a reason." Player: "And there was no sign of forced entry, the traps were still set." DM/shopkeeper: "That's right. In fact the traps are supposed to ward against magical entry as well." Player: "I don't believe him, I think he's hiding something." DM: "Okay." Player: "Umm...can I get a read on him? An insight check?" DM: "No." Player: "What do you mean?" DM: "The players don't get to ask to do skill checks. They declare action and intent." Player: "So...I'm studying him closely looking for signs that he's being deceptive." DM: "Okay" Player: "So can I roll an insight check?" DM: "No" Player: "Why not? The PHB says I can use an insight check to try to determine their true intentions." DM: "Because I didn't ask for an insight check." Player: "What the f... okay. Mother may I have an insight check?" DM: "No." Player: "Dude, I have investigator as my background. I took Inquisitive Rogue so that I'd be particularly good at it. I have the Ear For Deceit feature and expertise in insight. This is kind of a big deal for me. Can I roll an insight check?" DM: "No, asking for a check does not entitle you to a roll." [/INDENT] Is that seriously how this could go if the shopkeeper is telling the truth? Or lying for that matter, and you just don't think there's a reason to suspect the shopkeeper? Because honestly, I wouldn't want to play with a DM that did this. Because in my game it would be ...skipping a few lines... Player: "I don't believe him, I think he's hiding something." DM: "Give me an insight check." Player: "20" or even Player: "I don't believe him, I make an insight check of 20" My response as DM is going to be something like: "He seems to be telling the truth." And so on and so forth. Or maybe I'd reveal that the shopkeeper seemed nervous because to me the shopkeeper knows how bad this looks. Or maybe he's as cool as a cucumber and just really good at lying. [/QUOTE]

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