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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7587832" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>First, this isn't a parody. I honestly want to understand what you would do. I still don't get why there couldn't be a dialog where the PCs are questioning the shopkeeper but since you refuse to give an example of what the dialog would look like I give up.</p><p></p><p>I don't want to put words into your mouth but since you refuse to give a concrete example, I'm assuming something like:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">DM/shopkeeper "So I locked up the store as usual, set the normal traps and went upstairs to bed."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Player: "You sleep above the shop?"</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">DM/shopkeeper: "Yes, it's part of the compensation, and I'm single so it works well for me."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Player: "So no witness and you didn't hear anything at all during the night."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">DM/shopkeeper: "No witnesses and no I didn't hear anything. But this building is very solidly built for a reason."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Player: "And there was no sign of forced entry, the traps were still set."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">DM/shopkeeper: "That's right. In fact the traps are supposed to ward against magical entry as well."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Player: "I don't believe him, I think he's hiding something."</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">DM: "He's telling the truth"</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p></p><p>This to me would ruin all the mystery of a who-dunnit like this. No thanks. The shopkeeper <em>should</em> be a primary suspect. The reason to ask for an insight check is to maintain that air of mystery and doubt. The shopkeeper is less likely to be involved, but there's no way to be certain.</p><p></p><p>And please don't bother responding if all you're going give me is more platitudes of "I would be such an amazing DM this could never occur" unless you can show how. This is an extremely simple scenario that is very typical of games I've played in or run. It shouldn't be hard. Assume it's a new player and this is the beginning of the session.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7587832, member: 6801845"] First, this isn't a parody. I honestly want to understand what you would do. I still don't get why there couldn't be a dialog where the PCs are questioning the shopkeeper but since you refuse to give an example of what the dialog would look like I give up. I don't want to put words into your mouth but since you refuse to give a concrete example, I'm assuming something like: [INDENT] DM/shopkeeper "So I locked up the store as usual, set the normal traps and went upstairs to bed." Player: "You sleep above the shop?" DM/shopkeeper: "Yes, it's part of the compensation, and I'm single so it works well for me." Player: "So no witness and you didn't hear anything at all during the night." DM/shopkeeper: "No witnesses and no I didn't hear anything. But this building is very solidly built for a reason." Player: "And there was no sign of forced entry, the traps were still set." DM/shopkeeper: "That's right. In fact the traps are supposed to ward against magical entry as well." Player: "I don't believe him, I think he's hiding something." DM: "He's telling the truth" [/INDENT] This to me would ruin all the mystery of a who-dunnit like this. No thanks. The shopkeeper [I]should[/I] be a primary suspect. The reason to ask for an insight check is to maintain that air of mystery and doubt. The shopkeeper is less likely to be involved, but there's no way to be certain. And please don't bother responding if all you're going give me is more platitudes of "I would be such an amazing DM this could never occur" unless you can show how. This is an extremely simple scenario that is very typical of games I've played in or run. It shouldn't be hard. Assume it's a new player and this is the beginning of the session. [/QUOTE]
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