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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7587938"><p>Wow. I tried to write satire, but I got it right? That's scary.</p><p></p><p>(Kind of like the writers at The Onion trying to write political satire lately.)</p><p></p><p>But, more seriously, you keep mis-characterizing the approach, but I can't tell if it's because of true misunderstanding or intentional denigration.</p><p></p><p>Sure, the rogue might have just said, "I inspect the door for traps" without specifying how. So the DM might rule that since no method/approach was specified, the outcome is uncertain, and thus an Investigation roll is needed. Which might be failed. So the outcome is exactly the way you prefer (including that you may then have a cascade of other people rolling if the rogue rolls poorly.)</p><p></p><p>All we (or at least I) am saying is that if the rogue uses clues/signaling to be more specific, then no roll is needed because success is automatic.</p><p></p><p>And...just to cut you off before you throw out one of your standard red herrings...NO the rogue does not have to also search the door in 17 other ways, because there has been no signaling or hints that the door might be trapped in other ways.</p><p></p><p>So it's pretty simple: if the player makes the connection or solves the clue, he/she can avoid a roll. If he just wants to be vague, that makes the outcome uncertain, and the DM may choose to have a roll. (Or reveal the trap anyway, if the rogue is really good at it, and the trap was crudely constructed.) The DM might even rule that a general search is simply not going to find the trap, and no roll is needed because it's an autofailure. (In your parlance, the DM sets the DC at 30.)</p><p></p><p>But, yeah, anyway, I doubt this is going to have any effect. You pretty clearly have decided this is "pixel-bitching". Ironic, really.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7587938"] Wow. I tried to write satire, but I got it right? That's scary. (Kind of like the writers at The Onion trying to write political satire lately.) But, more seriously, you keep mis-characterizing the approach, but I can't tell if it's because of true misunderstanding or intentional denigration. Sure, the rogue might have just said, "I inspect the door for traps" without specifying how. So the DM might rule that since no method/approach was specified, the outcome is uncertain, and thus an Investigation roll is needed. Which might be failed. So the outcome is exactly the way you prefer (including that you may then have a cascade of other people rolling if the rogue rolls poorly.) All we (or at least I) am saying is that if the rogue uses clues/signaling to be more specific, then no roll is needed because success is automatic. And...just to cut you off before you throw out one of your standard red herrings...NO the rogue does not have to also search the door in 17 other ways, because there has been no signaling or hints that the door might be trapped in other ways. So it's pretty simple: if the player makes the connection or solves the clue, he/she can avoid a roll. If he just wants to be vague, that makes the outcome uncertain, and the DM may choose to have a roll. (Or reveal the trap anyway, if the rogue is really good at it, and the trap was crudely constructed.) The DM might even rule that a general search is simply not going to find the trap, and no roll is needed because it's an autofailure. (In your parlance, the DM sets the DC at 30.) But, yeah, anyway, I doubt this is going to have any effect. You pretty clearly have decided this is "pixel-bitching". Ironic, really. [/QUOTE]
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