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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7588862" data-attributes="member: 6919838">&quot;These posts make it seem like the function of the checks is to &quot;skip the boring bits&quot;. Although, as per the discussion of Insight checks maintaining mystery, it's not clear exactly how this will work if players aren't told whether or not their checks succeed.&quot;An attempt is made, s roll is made (possibly with advantage if the effort warrants it by bringing in beneficial things other than what normally comes with the effort) and what happens as z redult is narrsted.A Perhaps, you get a status quo, nothing changes. &nbsp;Perhaps you get some positive gains with additional noticable drawbacks as well.&nbsp;C Perhaps you get some positive gains without any noticable drawbacks.Note that in my gsme you also get included in the narrative a degree of confidence worked in. That may or may not tie in with the ABC result.A shows pretty much a fail.B shows a partial success partial success with hidden setback or a success outright.C shows either a fail with progress and hidden setback or an outright success.&nbsp;But as you can see, of the three cases two give you something new to work with, a positive change and possibly a negative change. The good news is, even a negative chsange can lead to positive results or even a fail.Consider, if an attempt to treat a disease fails in spite of a high confidence effort, the player knows and the character knows &quot;oh crap, I need to go another route.&quot; (Just like a player missing on a to-hit roll of 19 realizes he has an attack roll problem and shifts to other options.)So, maybe they bring up the spells for cures.If my failed interrogations leads to still being suspicious, but not conclusive, maybe I move to searches or leverage? Maybe my failed intimidation leads z shopkerp to call the attempt in and thugs come to us... clues-with-feet.As I often tell my players, often as not, what is bring contested is control of events. More often when the pcs succeed they dictate results and to varying degrees the aftermath. When they fail, others do - often in ways not too favorable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7588862, member: 6919838"] "These posts make it seem like the function of the checks is to "skip the boring bits". Although, as per the discussion of Insight checks maintaining mystery, it's not clear exactly how this will work if players aren't told whether or not their checks succeed." An attempt is made, s roll is made (possibly with advantage if the effort warrants it by bringing in beneficial things other than what normally comes with the effort) and what happens as z redult is narrsted. A Perhaps, you get a status quo, nothing changes. Perhaps you get some positive gains with additional noticable drawbacks as well. C Perhaps you get some positive gains without any noticable drawbacks. Note that in my gsme you also get included in the narrative a degree of confidence worked in. That may or may not tie in with the ABC result. A shows pretty much a fail. B shows a partial success partial success with hidden setback or a success outright. C shows either a fail with progress and hidden setback or an outright success. But as you can see, of the three cases two give you something new to work with, a positive change and possibly a negative change. The good news is, even a negative chsange can lead to positive results or even a fail. Consider, if an attempt to treat a disease fails in spite of a high confidence effort, the player knows and the character knows "oh crap, I need to go another route." (Just like a player missing on a to-hit roll of 19 realizes he has an attack roll problem and shifts to other options.) So, maybe they bring up the spells for cures. If my failed interrogations leads to still being suspicious, but not conclusive, maybe I move to searches or leverage? Maybe my failed intimidation leads z shopkerp to call the attempt in and thugs come to us... clues-with-feet. As I often tell my players, often as not, what is bring contested is control of events. More often when the pcs succeed they dictate results and to varying degrees the aftermath. When they fail, others do - often in ways not too favorable. [/QUOTE]

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