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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7589124" data-attributes="member: 6919838">I am curious, and you are raising some interesting points, so how would the following fit into the differences in what a check means between the two systems - in DW in your viewpoint.In my games, &quot;search checks&quot; are not handled by 5e &quot;standard&quot; or even by others more word-driven approaches.If a PC searches a room, I assign a DC based on the situation and circumstances and if they get a success they find stuff that is somehow interesting, adding to the fiction. This approach works a lot like say 5e foraging (success equals you did find stuff) as opposed to its &quot;searching&quot; (success equals that only if there is something hidden or hard to find you find it, but if nothing was noted there, nothing is found. )Obviously, as in my insight and halfling example, failure can always be some success with setbacks) finding stuff but breaking some of it.As a result of this approach I have a lot of &quot;interesting stuff of interest&quot; that gets into play solely as consequence of successful checks - not as result of &quot;GM puts this here before we start session - room 2a - in the left desk drawer,&quot;Old school ways of course are rife with &quot;this room, this corner, blah blah&quot; and cases where if you dont say you search the right spot or look the right way then you dont find blah blah.I think perhaps some of Ooftas perspectives follows a similar vein of &quot;shroedinger's dungeon&quot; - all the minutiae of a scene is not pre-designated, just enough to illustrate the key parts and the degree of understanding the PCs can get. So, &quot;is freezing an auto-success&quot; is not some pre-determined thing, even pre-determined at the moment... The successful check says &quot; the character found a right way.&quot; But I could be wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7589124, member: 6919838"] I am curious, and you are raising some interesting points, so how would the following fit into the differences in what a check means between the two systems - in DW in your viewpoint. In my games, "search checks" are not handled by 5e "standard" or even by others more word-driven approaches. If a PC searches a room, I assign a DC based on the situation and circumstances and if they get a success they find stuff that is somehow interesting, adding to the fiction. This approach works a lot like say 5e foraging (success equals you did find stuff) as opposed to its "searching" (success equals that only if there is something hidden or hard to find you find it, but if nothing was noted there, nothing is found. ) Obviously, as in my insight and halfling example, failure can always be some success with setbacks) finding stuff but breaking some of it. As a result of this approach I have a lot of "interesting stuff of interest" that gets into play solely as consequence of successful checks - not as result of "GM puts this here before we start session - room 2a - in the left desk drawer," Old school ways of course are rife with "this room, this corner, blah blah" and cases where if you dont say you search the right spot or look the right way then you dont find blah blah. I think perhaps some of Ooftas perspectives follows a similar vein of "shroedinger's dungeon" - all the minutiae of a scene is not pre-designated, just enough to illustrate the key parts and the degree of understanding the PCs can get. So, "is freezing an auto-success" is not some pre-determined thing, even pre-determined at the moment... The successful check says " the character found a right way." But I could be wrong. [/QUOTE]

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