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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7591426" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>I think, in the interest of showing good faith to the critics of the goal and approach DMing style, it’s important that we not brush past this. Many of us who advocate for the goal and approach style have been quite insistent that detailed description is not necessary, as long as a goal and an approach are clearly stated. And this action does, strictly speaking, meet those criteria (though arguably there is some interpretation required on the DM’s part to translate “get the drop on them” to “find out if there’s anyone there, so that we can get the drop on them if there is.”) So here we can clearly see that <em>some</em> degree of specificity in the approach is required. Now, different DMs will have different thresholds for how much specificity they expect, but I think most of us would agree that “use my senses” is a little too vague to do anything with. Perhaps it’s worth exploring how we might handle a player declaring a vague approach like this.</p><p></p><p>I’ve commented on this a bit already, but to elaborate on my previous post, my strategy is to clearly say to the player what I do understand (or think I understand) from their declaration, what I’m still not understanding, and ask for elaboration. “I’m hearing that you want to [blank]” (and I think that part is very important), “but I need to know [blank].” In this specific case, “I’m hearing that you want to use your senses to find out if there might be an ambush waiting on the other side, but I’m not sure what senses you plan to use. I assume listening carefully, are you also sniffing around, touching the door, licking the handle...?”</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 7591426, member: 6779196"] I think, in the interest of showing good faith to the critics of the goal and approach DMing style, it’s important that we not brush past this. Many of us who advocate for the goal and approach style have been quite insistent that detailed description is not necessary, as long as a goal and an approach are clearly stated. And this action does, strictly speaking, meet those criteria (though arguably there is some interpretation required on the DM’s part to translate “get the drop on them” to “find out if there’s anyone there, so that we can get the drop on them if there is.”) So here we can clearly see that [i]some[/i] degree of specificity in the approach is required. Now, different DMs will have different thresholds for how much specificity they expect, but I think most of us would agree that “use my senses” is a little too vague to do anything with. Perhaps it’s worth exploring how we might handle a player declaring a vague approach like this. I’ve commented on this a bit already, but to elaborate on my previous post, my strategy is to clearly say to the player what I do understand (or think I understand) from their declaration, what I’m still not understanding, and ask for elaboration. “I’m hearing that you want to [blank]” (and I think that part is very important), “but I need to know [blank].” In this specific case, “I’m hearing that you want to use your senses to find out if there might be an ambush waiting on the other side, but I’m not sure what senses you plan to use. I assume listening carefully, are you also sniffing around, touching the door, licking the handle...?” [/QUOTE]
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