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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7591949" data-attributes="member: 42582">OK, but then "I listen at the door" is pretty concrete. "I ride my horse across the plain, hastening to Hardby" is pretty concrete. But at least some posters are suggesting that those sorts of action declarations lack sufficient precision.I'm not wanting to put everyone in the same box - I already think I posted upthread that I get a different impression from your posts than (say) [MENTION=80916]elf[/MENTION]rcrusher's - but the overall vibe I am getting is one of emphasis on engineering details rather than (say) emotional or thematic details. To the extent that your game contradicts that vibe, OK, I believe you.I think this may be an overly narrow account of "skilled play". There's a well-known anecdote of Gygax ruling that the sceptre-to-crown trick can destroy the demilich in ToH: that's not about "pixel bitching" or gussing the GM's notes, but it is about engaging the fiction.I imagine there was a fair bit of similar imaginative play in the "trapped gods" room and the "face of Fraz-Urb'luu" (sp?) room.I think you're right that Gygaxian play doesn't involve a lot of creation of new elements in the fiction (like eg cursed sacrophaguses) as part of the narrration of failure, but the only poster in this thread who seems to use that technique beside you is me (maybe I've missed others? in that case, sorry). That's a technique that I've spent about a decade on these boards articulating in the face of dismissals of "Schroedinger's dungeon", being "unrealistic", wrecking immersion, etc, etc. I'm pretty familiar with it, and what's to be said for or against it. As far as I can tell there's nothing in 5e that makes the technique more apt than in 3E. (And if that's what we're meaning by "goal and approach" then let's use Luke Crane's "intent and task" (coined c 15 years ago) and be upfront about it! )</blockquote>

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