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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7594178" data-attributes="member: 16814">To add my own, different answer:&nbsp; I am similar to [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION] in that I only have a vague clue what the stats of my players' characters are.&nbsp; I know a lot about their motivations, their flaws, traits, bonds, etc., and what they've done, but I couldn't tell you what anyone's stats are.&nbsp; I mean, I figure the wizard is probably trained in arcana and has a decent INT, but that's the extent of my knowledge.But, no amount of flowery acting is going to get a free pass in my game, because I care about adjudicating the approach and goal, not the nice words you used when you attempt to act that out.&nbsp; So, the 8 CHA barbarian can speak as nicely as the player wants, but I'm going to judge if his goal is achievable by his approach (speak flowery words) and, most likely, determine that this has a chance of failure and probably a consequence of failure and call for a CHA check.&nbsp; The flowery words the player spoke just don't enter into this.If, however, the player chose to leverage the target's bonds to get a favorable response with the flowery words, that goes into the approach -- use bond and flowery words -- and they'll likely get advantage.&nbsp; If what the character is asking for is straight down the leveraged bond, it might succeed automatically, not because of flowery words, but because they're asking the target to do something the target would already want to do.So, no, I only have a foggy idea what the character's stats are, but I assure you those stats come up quite a bit because my game focuses on situations were goals and approaches will likely be uncertain.&nbsp; I only need to pay attention to what they characters are asking and how, and only that will determine if a check is called for.&nbsp; No amount of acting out the flowery words will make a difference.&nbsp; Excepting, of course, it's fun to act and my players will do it for that reason only.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7594178, member: 16814"] To add my own, different answer: I am similar to [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION] in that I only have a vague clue what the stats of my players' characters are. I know a lot about their motivations, their flaws, traits, bonds, etc., and what they've done, but I couldn't tell you what anyone's stats are. I mean, I figure the wizard is probably trained in arcana and has a decent INT, but that's the extent of my knowledge. But, no amount of flowery acting is going to get a free pass in my game, because I care about adjudicating the approach and goal, not the nice words you used when you attempt to act that out. So, the 8 CHA barbarian can speak as nicely as the player wants, but I'm going to judge if his goal is achievable by his approach (speak flowery words) and, most likely, determine that this has a chance of failure and probably a consequence of failure and call for a CHA check. The flowery words the player spoke just don't enter into this. If, however, the player chose to leverage the target's bonds to get a favorable response with the flowery words, that goes into the approach -- use bond and flowery words -- and they'll likely get advantage. If what the character is asking for is straight down the leveraged bond, it might succeed automatically, not because of flowery words, but because they're asking the target to do something the target would already want to do. So, no, I only have a foggy idea what the character's stats are, but I assure you those stats come up quite a bit because my game focuses on situations were goals and approaches will likely be uncertain. I only need to pay attention to what they characters are asking and how, and only that will determine if a check is called for. No amount of acting out the flowery words will make a difference. Excepting, of course, it's fun to act and my players will do it for that reason only. [/QUOTE]

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