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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7594230" data-attributes="member: 97077"><p>As an aside, with regard to attack rolls, the DMG has this to say: "Call for an attack roll when a character ties to hit a creature or an object with an attack, especially when the attack could be foiled by the target's armor or shield or by another object providing cover." The implication here is that there's something in the way of your success when you're making an attack roll. If there isn't, then an attack roll is superfluous. This leaves open the possibility, however remote, that as long as a character can figure out a way to get around the target's armor, shield, or cover sufficient to negate uncertainty, then there's no roll and damage is applied. @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6776133" target="_blank">Bawylie</a></u></strong></em> sometimes brings up an example along these lines with regard to a PC holding a knife to a NPC's throat, effectively "checkmating" the NPC.</p><p></p><p>Even saving throws aren't a given. "A save makes most sense when something bad happens to the character and the character has a chance to avoid that effect." So if you have no chance to avoid the effect, you don't get to make a save. </p><p></p><p>All that to say - I don't see any reason, given a reading of the rules for D&D 5e, that anyone should assume there's going to be a roll in all situations. We have to examine the fiction first.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7594230, member: 97077"] As an aside, with regard to attack rolls, the DMG has this to say: "Call for an attack roll when a character ties to hit a creature or an object with an attack, especially when the attack could be foiled by the target's armor or shield or by another object providing cover." The implication here is that there's something in the way of your success when you're making an attack roll. If there isn't, then an attack roll is superfluous. This leaves open the possibility, however remote, that as long as a character can figure out a way to get around the target's armor, shield, or cover sufficient to negate uncertainty, then there's no roll and damage is applied. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6776133"]Bawylie[/URL][/U][/B][/I] sometimes brings up an example along these lines with regard to a PC holding a knife to a NPC's throat, effectively "checkmating" the NPC. Even saving throws aren't a given. "A save makes most sense when something bad happens to the character and the character has a chance to avoid that effect." So if you have no chance to avoid the effect, you don't get to make a save. All that to say - I don't see any reason, given a reading of the rules for D&D 5e, that anyone should assume there's going to be a roll in all situations. We have to examine the fiction first. [/QUOTE]
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