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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7594345" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Heh. Ok, fair enough. I over reacted. But, you have to understand what this looks like from my side of the screen. </p><p>"We play this way..." </p><p></p><p>"Well, I play this way because that's what the rules of the game says" </p><p></p><p>"Yes, we get that but, we don't like that way, so we don't play that way." </p><p></p><p>"Well, that's what the rules say and I am following the rules of the game. </p><p></p><p>"But, we don't really care what the rules of the game says, our way works for us." </p><p></p><p>"I'm only following the rules of the game. If you would just follow the rules of the game, it would work so much better for you."</p><p></p><p>On and on and on. While I realize you are just stating why you play the way you do, and that's fair, repeating it so often does look very much like an appeal to authority. On my good days, I just ignore it. On my bad days, well, it just flies up my left nostril. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, to me, this is a perfect example of why I don't play this way. If, as [MENTION=6776133]Bawylie[/MENTION] says, " it doesn’t matter how good of an explanation either Player gives", then why am I giving any explanation at all? If the DC is static, then what's the point? I can be as silver tongued or as tongue tied or just say, "I persuade the King, Persuasion X" and the end result is identical. Me, I would much, much rather that the player narrates the results than the lead up to the roll. The lead up may be contradicted by the roll. The results won't be.</p><p></p><p>Now, OTOH, if, as say, [MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION] says, we are playing to the player and not the character, then what I say absolutely matters. If I can say it right, I won't even have to make a check, or, depending on how well I do it, my DC will be reduced (which effectively grants me bonuses on my die roll). Again, and I think I stated this way, way back in the early pages of this thread, it makes me, the DM, too visible as now I'm judging performances, which I don't want to do. </p><p></p><p>So, I'd rather be like [MENTION=6674266]Ba[/MENTION]ywilie where it doesn't matter what explanation the player gives and then take it a step further and skip the explanation (which doesn't matter) and go right to the result, which does matter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7594345, member: 22779"] Heh. Ok, fair enough. I over reacted. But, you have to understand what this looks like from my side of the screen. "We play this way..." "Well, I play this way because that's what the rules of the game says" "Yes, we get that but, we don't like that way, so we don't play that way." "Well, that's what the rules say and I am following the rules of the game. "But, we don't really care what the rules of the game says, our way works for us." "I'm only following the rules of the game. If you would just follow the rules of the game, it would work so much better for you." On and on and on. While I realize you are just stating why you play the way you do, and that's fair, repeating it so often does look very much like an appeal to authority. On my good days, I just ignore it. On my bad days, well, it just flies up my left nostril. :p See, to me, this is a perfect example of why I don't play this way. If, as [MENTION=6776133]Bawylie[/MENTION] says, " it doesn’t matter how good of an explanation either Player gives", then why am I giving any explanation at all? If the DC is static, then what's the point? I can be as silver tongued or as tongue tied or just say, "I persuade the King, Persuasion X" and the end result is identical. Me, I would much, much rather that the player narrates the results than the lead up to the roll. The lead up may be contradicted by the roll. The results won't be. Now, OTOH, if, as say, [MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION] says, we are playing to the player and not the character, then what I say absolutely matters. If I can say it right, I won't even have to make a check, or, depending on how well I do it, my DC will be reduced (which effectively grants me bonuses on my die roll). Again, and I think I stated this way, way back in the early pages of this thread, it makes me, the DM, too visible as now I'm judging performances, which I don't want to do. So, I'd rather be like [MENTION=6674266]Ba[/MENTION]ywilie where it doesn't matter what explanation the player gives and then take it a step further and skip the explanation (which doesn't matter) and go right to the result, which does matter. [/QUOTE]
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